Any consensus on most important stats for WHM/SCH?

[Pikken]

Lots of opinions here but not so much raw data

I have done some theorycrafting (focused on WHM), using this resource as a base:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

And I pretty much concluded that deciding which secondary stat to focus on makes very little difference. I calculated the difference from maximizing Determination on ilv 90 gear, vs maximizing Crit or Spell Speed. These are the conclusions:

* With Determination, your average Cure will be increased by about 6.3%
* With Crit, your average Cure will be increased by about 6.3% too! Of course with crits its more random, but the average over time is the same. These numbers also ignore overhealing.
* With Spell speed focus your Cure spell is cast about 6.4% faster.

[KiraVaela]

According to values Pikken provided, it would only make sense to stack crit for SCH (I expect testing Physick for SCH would go similar WHM's Cure), because you get roughly the same healing output, but you get all those nice bonuses for Adloquium, Fairy, etc.

Still I feel more comfortable with a well-balanced build for various reasons. One of them is consistency. Next, I don't really feel the need for such high crit numbers. Only exception would be DS which can be mitigated by other means, timed heals, tank's cds and anyways I think regular Adloquium is enough there (chances are you will crit Adlo rarely just before DS). Also, I prefer to have my heals as fast on target as possible. When I'm healing on T5, MT dies very, very rarely to DS and I'm obviously not stacking crit.

It comes down to preference I think after all.

As I said earlier, I would go to crit build probably if it's proven to save lots of mp both to me and my WHM partner.

[UlricCraft]

White Mage: MND, DET, PIE, HP, CRIT, SS
Scholar: MND, CRIT, DET, HP, PIE, SS

What do White Mages have trouble with?
- Mana & Mana regeneration
- %Healing through debuffs
- Enmity

How can I alleviate those issues?
- Increase PIE
- You can't
- Improve playstyle

What do SCH have trouble with?
- Raid/group healing
- Limited HoTs

How can I alleviate those issues?
- You can't
- You can't

Summary
The only stat increase you can take to reduce pain-points for either healer is piety.

[KiraVaela]

It's beyond me how someone can contribute starting with "/thread" (implying he/she knows it all) and then proceed to answer questions that are totally uncalled for and write a summary that is completely missing the point (because obviously everyone wants/have max mind and piety, it's the other stats we are discussing here - you would know that if you bothered to read at least 1 of those 3 pages).

Also, your summary is just plain wrong. On top of it, your answers are also wrong. You can for example increase raid/group healing with Sch through determination (Titan stomps for example), while spell speed won't do much for you here.

[NJA]

Interesting thread. After MND and PIE I go for VIT - higher HP means I will have more survivability if things go wrong, also I'll need to spend less time worrying about myself and can focus more on others in a tight spot. I know on a 'perfect' run I shouldn't have to worry about myself (WHM), but I'd rather not rely on perfection. If I have stats left I'd go for DET as it has a consistent effect - some extra SS will always be wasted on interrupted spells and CRIT is too random to base your healing strategy on.

[joshsecret]

derp derp derp

i cannot disagree more. piety is for beginners and fresh 50s.

derp #1
if you run out of mp it is largely due to fail party members.
whm can pre-cure through 'debuffs' (is that a thing?)
enmity is a dance you do with your tank. if you try to lead, u die.. if your tank fails to lead you die. its synergy. not anything else.

derp #2
good sch can group heal.
and can proc eos to HoT when needed

beyond your ideas you take as fact, the good thing is that healing's second stat is non-important so it matters little.

[kukurumei]

PIE is pretty nice to have in titan/ifrit. It's the difference between poking your brd and letting him/her run free.

And for ifrit, Pie is godly since you're going to be basically sitting on full mp until big nail phase, where you might blow your whole bar, spamming it dry none stop.

Once you get to a certain ilvl, you have just enough MP to make it through the fight without a single ballad (assuming pt is good).

Spell speed is probably the way to go, but neither whm nor sch can stack enough of it with current crop of gears (no one crafts anymore in 2.1) to make it worthwhile.

Mnd for both sch and whm is good. Once you reach a point, you can spam phys/cure1 in constant spam to brute force MP/burst damage situations.

Crit is really bad for a whm, and flexible for a sch. crit is nice for sch not as much for aqu, but but for Succor. 6-8member at least 1-3 will crit normally. That's a really dependable shield since succor is a sch's main arsenal for phases and the like. And you have a lot of those in 2.1 fights

I would put VIT ->MND -> Pie for either healer. You just simply can't go wrong with it.

As a healer you always seem to want more VIT. There are so many brutal points that magically becomes more forgiving the moment you have enough vit to brute force it. (aka shitty bombs in titan ex, and stupid spam from ifrit ex)

[Arya_Drottningu]

Serious question, does no one meld for piety?

No they do not. In fact I actually gear so that I have the least piety possible. Especially for scholar, piety is a wasted stat point.

[Arya_Drottningu]

I'll give you my priority for SCH, since that's my main class. I've downed twin for the last 9 weeks, if anyone cares about my experience level.

Most important is Mind.

Second is Crit, followed VERY CLOSELY by Det. Of course crit is massive for SCH because of Adlo, but you want a mix of both crit and det. Higher crit rating is much more useful if you have higher det and vice-versa. That's why you want a healthy dose of each. Spell speed is MUCH less important, but still more important than Piety. The reason for this, is that if you properly manage your aetherflows, you have infinite mana (with the possible exception of a fight where you end up having to rez 3+ people, but that's a different issue).

This is all true UNLESS you are coming up against a raid mechanic that is 1 shotting you and cannot be avoided (like geocrush or Twintania's Fireballs) In that case, you should slot extra vitality until you can reliably survive, and then revert to the previously mentioned priority.

[TwoEggs]

on my WHM I went all mind .. was curing with full ilvl 88 1030-1115.. changed stats from all mind to 15 in vit to 15 in mind and my head is pretty much the same 1030-1100.. going all mind isn't gonna change that much in the long run .. I'd say go 15vit/15mnd. .. people can argue about it all they want but as an end game healer its not a difference u would ever feel and the extra v it goes a long way as opposed to an extra 10-20 random health jumps on a cure 1 or regeneration tick.. Divine seal and mind pots help those skills just the same