Bigger and better incentives for tanks

[randomrope]

I'm pretty sure the general popularity of DPS classes will allow for their roles to always be filled.

That is why the ques for dps are so long! Lets use the simplest idea so this all makes sense.

There is a server with only 6 people on it. 1 tank, 1 healer, 4 dps.

Everybody ques for a dungeon. 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps get in. That leaves 2 dps waiting around for a tank or a healer with a super long que time. BECAUSE THERE ARE TO MANY DPS

Now add everyone's magic idea of a new healer and tank class and lets try this again.

Everybody ques. 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps get in. That leaves 2 dps waiting around for a tank or a healer with a super long que time. BECAUSE THEY ARE TO LAZY TO PLAY A TANK OR HEALER.

[Gardes]

That is why the ques for dps are so long! Lets use the simplest idea so this all makes sense.

There is a server with only 6 people on it. 1 tank, 1 healer, 4 dps.

Everybody ques for a dungeon. 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps get in. That leaves 2 dps waiting around for a tank or a healer with a super long que time. BECAUSE THERE ARE TO MANY DPS

Now add everyone's magic idea of a new healer and tank class and lets try this again.

Everybody ques. 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps get in. That leaves 2 dps waiting around for a tank or a healer with a super long que time. BECAUSE THEY ARE TO LAZY TO PLAY A TANK OR HEALER.

No, that leaves 2 dps waiting for a super long queue time because there aren't 2 extra people to play with.

[Yarikh]

Even if they release new tank or healer classes, it wouldn't make much difference if the player didn't want to play as a tank or healer in the first place. It still comes down to the same basic job of heal, buff pt members and tanking monsters.

If that kind of playstyle didn't appeal to them before, how will introduction of new classes that have the same basic function and responsibilites, get people who didn't play them before to do so?

Bigger incentives won't help much either. Instead, you'll get players who have tank and healer classes at 50 but who either refuse or be very reluctant to use them in end dungeons and will still prefer playing their dps class.

[Arannon]

I think part of what keeps people from tanking is the other players.

A DPS can die and nobody bats an eye, but if its a tank or a healer then there's a full wipe coming. A GOOD group will make it through one or two such wipes without much argument. Get another and you're likely to see one or two people drop. If the group survives that, you've got maybe one more wipe before you lose the rest.

It really is on the players to a degree, not all folks are understanding or patient. The incentive shouldn't be for just the tank, but for the whole group to stick around and keep trying.

Maybe some kinda sliding scale loot system, the standard loot plus something special for "one and done" encounters, but the more you fail and keep trying the higher a chance for some other piece of loot goes. As the echo buff goes up, so to does the chance of this other reward. Its a system easily gamed, you can wipe on purpose after all, but its a start.

[Wulfyn]

I will lvl a tank class up but only to help friends and FC members. Otherwise it's the behaviour and attitudes of other players that keeps me from wanting to tank. Majority of the time tanks are getting bonuses in duty roulette. I rarely see any other class getting the bonus. Giving more to a tank class isn't the answer I think, when will the bribery end?

[Grizzlebeard]

There needs to be more healing and tanking jobs or more of an incentive for people who play those jobs at endgame to revisit content.

Once I capped Paladin/White Mage I had no reason to run low level dungeons again. Give me a reason, a reward, an Alternate Advancement Point grind, some draw to run the low levels and help reduce the queue congestion.

[Speeral]

I enjoy tanking...until some dps/healer thinks that they're Superman and decide to "help" by running ahead and bring back more mobs. Once is an accident, twice is stupidity, three times and I tell them "You spank it, you get to tank it." And then I sit back and watch them die a horrible death, hoping that a hefty repair bill will convince them to change their ways.

Lin Iagree with you 100% as a healer/caster main I only ever pull for the tank the 2 ton's at skele's in wp and the one succubus in Ak, and that only happens after I ask if the tank wants me to.... so they know its coming right ^^

[Briea]

Well I don't think a free pony will get more tanks in duty finder will help. I am thinking having bonus philo/myth/allagan tomes would. Just allow the tank's bonus tomes break the tome cap. Though the bonus probably wouldn't be very much.

[AlexiaKidd]

I think a lot of people are just scared to play as a tank because of the pressure you get put under. When you go into DF the party usually expects you to know exactly where to go, what to do and basically lead the party. It's much easier to go into content as a DD and just whack stuff everyone else is hitting.