I WANT TO DPS ON WAR!!

[JetBrooks]

I liked FFXI for this reason... Classes could have multiple roles... You werent locked into one.. War could be geared to be DPS or Tank.. But in this game.. you are forced into certain role by gear and party system requirements. Not as fun in my opinion.

This game is 10000000% more balanced than FFXI, though. I'll take truly balanced jobs over at the cost of some flexibility.

[Morticous]

This game is 10000000% more balanced than FFXI, though. I'll take truly balanced jobs over at the cost of some flexibility.

In this game you play the way SE wants you to play... In FFXI SE gave you the tools to play the game and play it the way you wanted to play. Id much rather work through a little imbalances rather than being confined to all the rules requirements a game like this brings.

[Cabalabob]

This game is 10000000% more balanced than FFXI, though. I'll take truly balanced jobs over at the cost of some flexibility.

Lol I wouldn't put that many 0's, SMN's still as unloved as it was in ffxi. Me and my friend were discussing the ideal 8/8 party setup it incorporates every job...except SMN...

[Pence]

Lol I wouldn't put that many 0's, SMN's still as unloved as it was in ffxi. Me and my friend were discussing the ideal 8/8 party setup it incorporates every job...except SMN...

I think it'd put SMN in. It brings more versatility than MNK.

Pld, War, Whm, Sch - all a given.

Drg - Melee LB and buff BRD.
Brd - Songs, including buff Mages damage.
Blm - Heavy Burst/AOE.
Smn - Strong single target DPS, Res, Eye, Virus...

[Cabalabob]

I think it'd put SMN in. It brings more versatility than MNK.

Pld, War, Whm, Sch - all a given.

Drg - Melee LB and buff BRD.
Brd - Songs, including buff Mages damage.
Blm - Heavy Burst/AOE.
Smn - Strong single target DPS, Res, Eye, Virus...

Well here's what we had:
PLD + WAR, compliment each other, for WAR's slashing debuff as both PLD and WAR are slashing. Then there's the obvious benefits of PLD and WAR.

WHM + SCH + MNK, WHM great healer, SCH great mitigation, MNK has mantra to buff AoE heals aswell as having second wind featherfoot and fists of earth to pull it's own weight defensively.

DRG + BRD + BLM, DRG has piercing debuff which benefits both it and BRD, BRD has foe requiem to buff elemental magic damage, BLM deals elemental magic damage.

That leaves SMN, any utility debuffs it brings can be covered by SCH, it doesn't benefit from foe requiem as it's spells are non elemental, it doesn't have anything that co-ordinates well with the other jobs, it can self heal but it's just not as defensive as a MNK. That's why we chose MNK over SMN

MNK also has decent AoE potential which fits well with BLM and BRD who also have good AoE, while SMN has Bane which can only hit 4 targets, tri-disaster which is meh, and enkindle which is on a 5 min timer.

[Amoteas]

Foes requiem works for smner, would be better if you actually knew the class before dissmissing it. Smn has one of the strongest single target dps, the absolute king of multi target dps (2-4 mobs) and still a beast at aoe(4+ mobs) with shadowflare, Miasma 2 and double bane:ing.

[Suroruro]

Foes requiem works for smner, would be better if you actually knew the class before dissmissing it. Smn has one of the strongest single target dps, the absolute king of multi target dps (2-4 mobs) and still a beast at aoe(4+ mobs) with shadowflare, Miasma 2 and double bane:ing.

This guy made me burst out laughing and my dog woke up and stared at me. Its 6 AM cut me some slack.

Also to the people who argued the perfect party, Monk is the highest DPS currently because they are OP (On fights that matter like Twin, Primals shaft them with the jumps.) SMN rarely if ever beats the other DPS, I would consider them the weakest DPS even. BUT. Their utility is invaluable, And the compliment other DPS well. So I would bring a SMN over a DRG in the ultimate 8man party.

[Hitokirinomad]

Well here's what we had:
WHM + SCH + MNK, WHM great healer, SCH great mitigation, MNK has mantra to buff AoE heals aswell as having second wind featherfoot and fists of earth to pull it's own weight defensively.

DRG + BRD + BLM, DRG has piercing debuff which benefits both it and BRD, BRD has foe requiem to buff elemental magic damage, BLM deals elemental magic damage.

That leaves SMN, any utility debuffs it brings can be covered by SCH, it doesn't benefit from foe requiem as it's spells are non elemental, it doesn't have anything that co-ordinates well with the other jobs, it can self heal but it's just not as defensive as a MNK. That's why we chose MNK over SMN

I don't even understand this. The question isn't whether to bring a Monk over a SMN, it's whether to bring a Monk over a DRG. You bring SMN for the great damage, the free rez, the slows, the 2nd virus, and the OMG damage. You bring a monk for that mantra i guess, but also the int debuff and the insane ST damage (not the fists of earth and featherfoot...seriously?). In the end, who cares that DRG buffs bard damage? The Monk and SMN bring more than enough damage to offset that piercing debuff, w/o relying on the DRG hitting his positionals.

[Sleigh]

I don't even understand this. The question isn't whether to bring a Monk over a SMN, it's whether to bring a Monk over a DRG. You bring SMN for the great damage, the free rez, the slows, the 2nd virus, and the OMG damage. You bring a monk for that mantra i guess, but also the int debuff and the insane ST damage (not the fists of earth and featherfoot...seriously?). In the end, who cares that DRG buffs bard damage? The Monk and SMN bring more than enough damage to offset that piercing debuff, w/o relying on the DRG hitting his positionals.

A well-geared BRD's extra DPS (in the 30~ range if played right) from the DRG debuff will easily out-pace the slightly higher ST damage from MNK (in the 10-20 range), and in some fights DRG's sustained DPS will single-handedly beat MNK's.

[Viridiana]

That leaves SMN, any utility debuffs it brings can be covered by SCH, it doesn't benefit from foe requiem as it's spells are non elemental, it doesn't have anything that co-ordinates well with the other jobs, it can self heal but it's just not as defensive as a MNK. That's why we chose MNK over SMN

You could at least read the updated BRD ability description. I'd understand if it were still 2.0 and you were having to test things out on your own or take people's word for it, but SE has even changed the ability description to tell you that Foe works on all magical damage.