Request to Dev's. Tune Titan HM.

[leprov]

Progression should always be skill based - and unfortunately that's not the case here. (With the amount of threads I have seen on the forums - it's not simply a 'learn the scripted rotation' issue).

Actually, it IS skill based. It's not because a lot of people suck that they are right. Lag and delay are the worst excuse. I have some delay too, and I still can survive a whole titan Extreme fight...And if I get hit by something while seeing myself outside of the AE, I still know it's my fault, I know I've been too slow.
People tend to blame external factor too easily , so they just don't progress. If they started to blame themselves, and think "Ok, if I played better I could have avoided it", they would stop thinking it's hard, they would just be better. Instead, they just think "it's not my fault, so there's nothing I can do...So I won't do nothing, and it will never be better". Yeah, keep thinking like this, whining on forums that's it's not your fault. At the same time, some people are on the next fight while having same issues than you...They just were able to deal with it properly and improve themselves

[Raestloz]

Actually, it IS skill based. It's not because a lot of people suck that they are right. Lag and delay are the worst excuse. I have some delay too, and I still can survive a whole titan Extreme fight...And if I get hit by something while seeing myself outside of the AE, I still know it's my fault, I know I've been too slow.

You can train your reflexes, but you CAN'T tell lag to go away.

Seriously, the amount of people saying "OMG dude, stop with the lag excuses" really indeed need to stop. Titan fight is just designed wrong. Here we have a game where animation is seperated from the actual damage infliction mechanism, and they try to make it Precision Based

Skill is where you can magnificently swiftly summon your Titan-Egi and keeping it alive while at the same time killing off 4-monster mob in Stone Vigil while your Tank is lying on the floor face down

Skill is where you gracefully switch between Cure and Cure II to maintain your MP while keeping the health bar adequately full

Skill is where you quickly whip out Mage's Ballad when the White Mages are getting strained long before they actually start calling out help.

Skill is NOT where your ISP is trolling and your latency skyrockets and you get struck by Weight of the Land when you're obviously standing 5 yalms out of them

In short, skill is Garuda, Titan is just bad, because it relies exclusively on something you can never control: your latency

[Vesuvias]

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This brings up a true understanding of skill, and why people need to realize that titan is stupidly flawed. and before you start quoting bs, i wish one of my friends in an LS would of taken a screen shot as his incoming ping literally spiked to 9320 during a titan fight, and we watched as he literally stood in place before he rubberbanded off the side. Yes, I know this is an extreme example but it is clearly an example of the issues that the deves need to fix with titan. Because you cant dodge if you cant see it coming...

[Sessurea]

While I do syphathise with lag, I believe titanHM is like a wake up call to ppl who just dinged 50. --->Faceroll time is over and its time to start co-operating. The game can't be changed because of lag, sorry if that sounds harsh xc From my experience at titanEX attempts, it seems people aren't actually spending enough time in HM...

Though not being able to get relic due to lag sux a lot xc Maybe there will be new alternatives in the future...

[leprov]

Skill is where you can magnificently swiftly summon your Titan-Egi and keeping it alive while at the same time killing off 4-monster mob in Stone Vigil while your Tank is lying on the floor face down
Skill is where you gracefully switch between Cure and Cure II to maintain your MP while keeping the health bar adequately full
Skill is where you quickly whip out Mage's Ballad when the White Mages are getting strained long before they actually start calling out help.
Skill is NOT where your ISP is trolling and your latency skyrockets and you get struck by Weight of the Land when you're obviously standing 5 yalms out of them
In short, skill is Garuda, Titan is just bad, because it relies exclusively on something you can never control: your latency

So you mean that skill is pressing the buttons, but only the spell buttons, not the one that could make your char move? If you have one second lag, you will have troubles, and not only on Titan. And if you don't, you definitely should stop blaming lag. You actually would have troubles in any MMO if you the lag your pretend you're having. (And yeah, first time I went to Titan hard, I died to plumes while seeing me outside. Then I stopped blaming lag)

[Fynlar]

From my experience at titanEX attempts, it seems people aren't actually spending enough time in HM...

Using HM to practice for EX is like using SM to practice for HM. It really doesn't work that way. The next step up is a whole new ball game.

[Raestloz]

So you mean that skill is pressing the buttons, but only the spell buttons, not the one that could make your char move? If you have one second lag, you will have troubles, and not only on Titan. And if you don't, you definitely should stop blaming lag. You actually would have troubles in any MMO if you the lag your pretend you're having. (And yeah, first time I went to Titan hard, I died to plumes while seeing me outside. Then I stopped blaming lag)

Nice dodge. First you twist my words and interpret it in a totally different way, then go on about how latency will make your life hard.

Have you ever seen anyone bragging about their ability to move left and right in Street Fighter? No, because that's like a brain activity filter. Don't even try to imply that char movement is a "skill" in FFXIV. That's just stupid. We're talking about lag, which effectively blocks us from executing the... "Movement Skill" maneuver you're touting in the first place.

Positioning is one thing, moving around is completely another. The former has strategic value, the latter is just trying to win a losing argument

[leprov]

Nice dodge. First you twist my words and interpret it in a totally different way, then go on about how latency will make your life hard.

Have you ever seen anyone bragging about their ability to move left and right in Street Fighter? No, because that's like a brain activity filter. Don't even try to imply that char movement is a "skill" in FFXIV. That's just stupid. We're talking about lag, which effectively blocks us from executing the... "Movement Skill" maneuver you're touting in the first place.

Positioning is one thing, moving around is completely another. The former has strategic value, the latter is just trying to win a losing argument

I was just trying to point the fact that you are missing some key points :
- Titan is designed to be a dodge fight. The key of the fight is about constantly repositionning. The only way to avoid making such a fight the "easiest fight ever" is to make it extremely punishing (aka "move or die")
- If you're having the lag you pretend to have, design is not the problem : your connection is. And you can't blame SE for this.
- If you're having the lag your pretend, Titan isn't the only fight you will have trouble, and you would have trouble in pretty much any online game (MMO, or even worst, FPS for instance). For example, if you're bard and can't dodge titan cause of lag, you probably can't silence in time on the first trash mob in coil, and will be the reason of wipes in your party. Or on Garuda extreme, you will probably die because of running too late in the spiny plume bubble (whatever your job is).

FF is a MMO, which includes "playing online". You can't complain to SE that the conditions are bad if your connection sux. Would you blame SE if you're computer was 10 years old and couldn't run FF properly and the game were stuttering? Would you tell em "hey SE, your design on this boss is crap, because if my computer sux and can't display the graphics without freezing my computer, I can't do the fight!!!!". I think you obviously wouldn't, but you blame SE because your ISP sux? I mean....come on.....blame your ISP. Common sense, no?
Your way of thinking is just completely flawed in several ways, and I'll tell it again :
- you really are blaming the wrong person : SE isn't responsible of your lags
- if you have problems with lag, it won't only be about Titan, it would be about any online game.
- start to think about your own skill, and I assure you that you can perform better by starting blaming yourself, even if you have connection issues. You can improve your skill to react faster, just by perfectly knowing the fight....And then, once you will master it, you will think it's just easy.

By the way, I'm not saying SE isn't faulty in any way : yeah, they had some problems, which are mostly fixed now......And yeah, having their server in canada for european players isn't the smartest idea and causes some delay....But some people complain about this and don't improve, spending time whinning on forums, instead of trying the fight to learn better the patterns.....And some other learn to deal with it (and they finally do, whatever you can say) and go to the next step.

[Sessurea]

Using HM to practice for EX is like using SM to practice for HM. It really doesn't work that way. The next step up is a whole new ball game.

Regarding people who get landslide/plumed. And yes, people do use storymode to get ready for hm. The people who can dodge plumes perfectly in sm are more ready for em than some of the ppl I see in em. In fact all of my titan em attempts have wiped pre heart due to plume fails.

In fact, if you can dodge plumes 100% , what else is really difficult about titan? Its all about knowing what to do when titan performs a certain action, and also important is, being READY for this action. If the whole party could dodge plumes and knew what to expect and what to do, then what is left only execution, which isn't very hard either? What makes titan "hard" are people who are not prepared.

[Siobahn]

i wish one of my friends in an LS would of taken a screen shot as his incoming ping literally spiked to 9320 during a titan fight....Because you cant dodge if you cant see it coming...

Was he looking at the in-game send/receive? I ask because those numbers are SUPPOSED to be high. Actually, an in-game of 9320 is even better than mine. I usually sit around 6k in a Titan fight, and I can stand in a WotL and finish a cast before running out. So if your friend has an incoming that high, he either has a TERRIBLE gaming rig (graphics are renderin late) or he's just plain bad with his reflexes.

P.S - if he's playing on PS3, well...... that should be an argument for why PS3 should be dropped for this game :/