Request to Dev's. Tune Titan HM.

[Hekmatyar-Koko]

A lot of PS3 users have a lot of latency issues regarding Titan HM (and EM), the large majority are all wireless, and outdated wireless cards at that. Not to mention if too many concurrent casts at once (PS3 really struggles with too much on screen at times) there is lag regarding the display of Titan's casts too.

As stated before also, distance to the servers makes a large difference, and due to the difficulty to find servers during the initial several weeks (and months) of release, many players were forced to choose a server that is further than an a perhaps more optimum alternative. Yes - there were server transfers, however too many players had already become part of a community by then (and a lot weren't even at Titan either).

Progression should always be skill based - and unfortunately that's not the case here. (With the amount of threads I have seen on the forums - it's not simply a 'learn the scripted rotation' issue).

[Aisukage]

I am from the UK and play on NA servers so i know far too well about the latency because of the distance of the servers but it is as simple as learning the rotation. If you know your latency issues and you know the rotation you can use that to predict and move when you need to. Trust me it is a pain where i have watched videos of people that move out in time when they see it appear under them with plenty of time. When i do it i can never make it out so i have to move a split second before plumes appear to gaurentee i get out. If i am able to do that then its not impossible and it is about learning the fight.

[Sax]

I am from the UK and play on NA servers so i know far too well about the latency because of the distance of the servers but it is as simple as learning the rotation. If you know your latency issues and you know the rotation you can use that to predict and move when you need to. Trust me it is a pain where i have watched videos of people that move out in time when they see it appear under them with plenty of time. When i do it i can never make it out so i have to move a split second before plumes appear to gaurentee i get out. If i am able to do that then its not impossible and it is about learning the fight.

I think that is the crux of the argument. Having to predodge the plumes dramatically increases the difficulty of the fight, and later in the extreme version it's not really possible because you inevitably kill people in the stack. You should not have to predodge, nor you should have to pay an extra monthly subscription for a VPN to work around it.

[Aisukage]

I think that is the crux of the argument. Having to predodge the plumes dramatically increases the difficulty of the fight, and later in the extreme version it's not really possible because you inevitably kill people in the stack. You should not have to predodge, nor you should have to pay an extra monthly subscription for a VPN to work around it.

The issue is not with the fight though. It is with the connection, like people have pointed out that the closer you are to the server the less your ping and the easier it is to avoid plumes. Many don't have a problem with this fight and if SE makes it easier, it will be a joke i already find HM way too easy even with the latency. Predicting plumes on EM titan is possible also as i do it just fine in HM and EM. All i see is excuses for people to not adapt to their situation and simply learn the fight.

[leprov]

Progression should always be skill based - and unfortunately that's not the case here. (With the amount of threads I have seen on the forums - it's not simply a 'learn the scripted rotation' issue).

Actually, it IS skill based. It's not because a lot of people suck that they are right. Lag and delay are the worst excuse. I have some delay too, and I still can survive a whole titan Extreme fight...And if I get hit by something while seeing myself outside of the AE, I still know it's my fault, I know I've been too slow.
People tend to blame external factor too easily , so they just don't progress. If they started to blame themselves, and think "Ok, if I played better I could have avoided it", they would stop thinking it's hard, they would just be better. Instead, they just think "it's not my fault, so there's nothing I can do...So I won't do nothing, and it will never be better". Yeah, keep thinking like this, whining on forums that's it's not your fault. At the same time, some people are on the next fight while having same issues than you...They just were able to deal with it properly and improve themselves

[Raestloz]

Actually, it IS skill based. It's not because a lot of people suck that they are right. Lag and delay are the worst excuse. I have some delay too, and I still can survive a whole titan Extreme fight...And if I get hit by something while seeing myself outside of the AE, I still know it's my fault, I know I've been too slow.

You can train your reflexes, but you CAN'T tell lag to go away.

Seriously, the amount of people saying "OMG dude, stop with the lag excuses" really indeed need to stop. Titan fight is just designed wrong. Here we have a game where animation is seperated from the actual damage infliction mechanism, and they try to make it Precision Based

Skill is where you can magnificently swiftly summon your Titan-Egi and keeping it alive while at the same time killing off 4-monster mob in Stone Vigil while your Tank is lying on the floor face down

Skill is where you gracefully switch between Cure and Cure II to maintain your MP while keeping the health bar adequately full

Skill is where you quickly whip out Mage's Ballad when the White Mages are getting strained long before they actually start calling out help.

Skill is NOT where your ISP is trolling and your latency skyrockets and you get struck by Weight of the Land when you're obviously standing 5 yalms out of them

In short, skill is Garuda, Titan is just bad, because it relies exclusively on something you can never control: your latency

[Vesuvias]

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This brings up a true understanding of skill, and why people need to realize that titan is stupidly flawed. and before you start quoting bs, i wish one of my friends in an LS would of taken a screen shot as his incoming ping literally spiked to 9320 during a titan fight, and we watched as he literally stood in place before he rubberbanded off the side. Yes, I know this is an extreme example but it is clearly an example of the issues that the deves need to fix with titan. Because you cant dodge if you cant see it coming...

[Siobahn]

i wish one of my friends in an LS would of taken a screen shot as his incoming ping literally spiked to 9320 during a titan fight....Because you cant dodge if you cant see it coming...

Was he looking at the in-game send/receive? I ask because those numbers are SUPPOSED to be high. Actually, an in-game of 9320 is even better than mine. I usually sit around 6k in a Titan fight, and I can stand in a WotL and finish a cast before running out. So if your friend has an incoming that high, he either has a TERRIBLE gaming rig (graphics are renderin late) or he's just plain bad with his reflexes.

P.S - if he's playing on PS3, well...... that should be an argument for why PS3 should be dropped for this game :/

[Vesuvias]

Was he looking at the in-game send/receive? I ask because those numbers are SUPPOSED to be high. Actually, an in-game of 9320 is even better than mine. I usually sit around 6k in a Titan fight, and I can stand in a WotL and finish a cast before running out. So if your friend has an incoming that high, he either has a TERRIBLE gaming rig (graphics are renderin late) or he's just plain bad with his reflexes.

P.S - if he's playing on PS3, well...... that should be an argument for why PS3 should be dropped for this game :/

I believe he is on a pc, and no that was what is ping via his programs was telling him. I am not going to try to lay blame but i thought it was interesting, thought I would share. Though sadly my experiance with online gaming and the ps3 really is up to whether or not your wired or wireless.

[leprov]

Skill is where you can magnificently swiftly summon your Titan-Egi and keeping it alive while at the same time killing off 4-monster mob in Stone Vigil while your Tank is lying on the floor face down
Skill is where you gracefully switch between Cure and Cure II to maintain your MP while keeping the health bar adequately full
Skill is where you quickly whip out Mage's Ballad when the White Mages are getting strained long before they actually start calling out help.
Skill is NOT where your ISP is trolling and your latency skyrockets and you get struck by Weight of the Land when you're obviously standing 5 yalms out of them
In short, skill is Garuda, Titan is just bad, because it relies exclusively on something you can never control: your latency

So you mean that skill is pressing the buttons, but only the spell buttons, not the one that could make your char move? If you have one second lag, you will have troubles, and not only on Titan. And if you don't, you definitely should stop blaming lag. You actually would have troubles in any MMO if you the lag your pretend you're having. (And yeah, first time I went to Titan hard, I died to plumes while seeing me outside. Then I stopped blaming lag)