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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    The problem is they can't do content first and then do the battle system after because then all that content they added would need adjusting. Plus without a good battle system a lot of content would be lacking. I am glad SE did things this way around, they are fixing the core of the game first and then once that is complete they can add content, content and even more content for the rest of the games life.

    It does suck for us that have to wait and play with hardly any content but SE made the right decision on tackling the problems. If it will all be worth it though is something we will have to wait and see.
    Why you need combat to make a cake and be on a boat.
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    Battle system = priority = paves way to actually adding meaningful content = what I can promise most people care for. They're only related in the fact this game isn't Crazy Cake Factory Online, nor is it Battleship Simulator 3000 Online. It's a Final Fantasy MMORPG and what comes with the general thought of FF and MMOs is fighting and raiding, not building cakes and ships.

    When what most people care for gets out the way I'm pretty sure they'll happily let you build your cake and eat it too. Hell I like side activities in MMOs more than I do just fighting but I know the general gamer only cares for fighting and loot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giftforce View Post
    Why you need combat to make a cake and be on a boat.
    Because it was all tied into the Company system and they couldn't very well launch the Grand Companies with just cake and boats could they. Well that might have actually been pretty cool but you can see the point ^^
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    If You wanna know what you can use a ship, cake and canons for just play lil pirates on the Iphone
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    The problem is they can't do content first and then do the battle system after because then all that content they added would need adjusting. Plus without a good battle system a lot of content would be lacking. I am glad SE did things this way around, they are fixing the core of the game first and then once that is complete they can add content, content and even more content for the rest of the games life.

    It does suck for us that have to wait and play with hardly any content but SE made the right decision on tackling the problems. If it will all be worth it though is something we will have to wait and see.
    who said anything about battle content? content is anything to do in game. if it is not battle it does not need to be adjusted, but yoshi and his team are not smart enough to figure this out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    For someone talking about cherry picking:

    You sure like to pick the point that the western votes seem to be more important when ironically, the biggest player base is infact the Japanese base at this point in time given the situation. It actually sounds like you're trying to say the Japanese votes don't matter. I'll even elaborate on this.
    get facts straight then talk to me. she corrected someone for saying the majority voted for content and stated they were wrong. sorry but that statement was correct and she used cherry picking to state he was wrong. the majority of overall players voted for content and that is a fact. that is not cherry picking it is going by the total results.
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    No it does have to be battle content but then let's not forget Eorzea's redesign which we have no idea of how far they are going with that so adding anything into any zone could also need adjustment when that happens, and thus creating more work for them moving stuff around again and slowing things down even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    No it does have to be battle content but then let's not forget Eorzea's redesign which we have no idea of how far they are going with that so adding anything into any zone could also need adjustment when that happens, and thus creating more work for them moving stuff around again and slowing things down even more.
    omg then let's never add anything to the game at all because at some point in the future they may change something. if they have nothing to do now and then they make the battle adjustments and still have nothing to do the battle changes are worthless. people are still doing the exact same thing they did the day they got the game because that is all the game offers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    When someone makes a blanket statement that the highest number of votes were for content when the poll itself was broken down regionally, you have to take into consideration both regions and what she did was refer to the fact it was NA/EU that wanted content over everything else while Japan was tipped towards Battle System and Socializing.

    For someone talking about cherry picking:



    You sure like to pick the point that the western votes seem to be more important when ironically, the biggest player base is infact the Japanese base at this point in time given the situation. It actually sounds like you're trying to say the Japanese votes don't matter. I'll even elaborate on this.

    NA = USA, Mexico and Canada.
    EU = Many, Many countries like Germany, France, Demark, England etc etc.
    Japan = Japan. There's islands but, Japan in itself is an island nation with no segregated nations like EU for example.

    Therefore, the "majority" votes means nothing when you take into consideration NA/EU have twice the amount of voters than Japan does just on a logistics scale, however Japan's majority vote were infact not for content, but majority of NA's votes were for content, while EU was tipping towards content and various other things.

    I can promise you Blizzard wouldn't ignore what the NA gamers want and focus on what the chinese gamers want and as far as I'm concerned, China has more people than 10 Americas ontop of each other.
    the word majority, means majority, it doesnt mean a certain elite group said battle, it means majority.
    3-5 countries said content more actual players said content (even in japan content was a close second) If you do a survey to see what your playerbase wants, and the playerbase says content. It means content is the most important thing to you re player base.

    once again people are getting fooled by marketing double talk.
    Yoshida wanted to do battle first, thats all.

    Far as the i cant do anything before battle, its kind of bullshit battle only relates to battle. unless they have only 3 people to spread across all facets of the game, there is no reason that they havent developed crafting, or fixed LShells. the fix for linkshells was supposed to be player companies, linkshells in this game were supposed to be just small collections of people/chat groups, Companies were supposed to the real collection of players/guilds, they were supposed to have companies ready pretty soon after november. Yoshida decided to scrap it. Ask the people bitching about the lack of LS controls/features and things to do with their ls if a bigger better LS with more options and content is worthwhile and i think you know what the answer would have been.

    He uses the we had to wait on battle as blanket answer to explain and excuse all the games flaws. Its just bull, there is obviously some inaccuracy here, either he is failing totally and utterly as a developer, or he is just telling people things to mollify them, because the overall strategy they are planning isnt one players would like to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    get facts straight then talk to me.
    Take a look here:

    http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

    Then again, as Physic is basically saying, Japan's results don't matter.

    If you do a survey to see what your playerbase wants, and the playerbase says content. It means content is the most important thing to you re player base.
    Western base has main concern about content (we are going by numbers, right?)

    Eastern base main concern was battle system (we are going by numbers, right?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    He uses the we had to wait on battle as blanket answer to explain and excuse all the games flaws. Its just bull, there is obviously some inaccuracy here, either he is failing totally and utterly as a developer, or he is just telling people things to mollify them, because the overall strategy they are planning isnt one players would like to hear.
    You're just a heavy conspiracy theorist to be honest.

    "It's all a lie!"

    So serious question ~

    Poll: What do you feel the game needs more?
    A. Content
    B. Battle Overhaul
    C. More cat women.

    If NA has 80% Votes for Content, EU has 67.7% votes for content and Japan has 70% votes for Battle Overhaul, would you say Content is what the majority wants? Simply because two different bases vote for the same thing? I think the problem you're having is you're lumping NA and EU together to say they're the "majority".

    Majority of Japanese votes went towards Battle system, so by the logic laid out in this thread, Battle system overhaul is what the majority wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    get facts straight then talk to me. she corrected someone for saying the majority voted for content and stated they were wrong. sorry but that statement was correct and she used cherry picking to state he was wrong. the majority of overall players voted for content and that is a fact. that is not cherry picking it is going by the total results.
    How am I cherry picking? The majority of NA/EU and equivalent countries voted for content over everything else. The majority of Japan voted for Battle overhaul over content.

    You do realize there are multiple player bases, right? So the correction is infact a correction -- West feels content is most important change needed and the east felt battle system was as it beat out content in votes. That's not cherry picking unless you're really stating Japan's playerbase is "the minority".

    France had the highest vote for lack of in-game content coming in at 50.9%, which means French players make up the majority of the game's player base?

    I really don't understand.
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