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[NeoAmon]

But it is our base damage that's affected by those two stats, which is then further augmented by potency and AF buff. So the scaling should really be the same for both Summoner and Black Mage.

Ceveth is correct. We scale differently and what is true for them is not necessarily true for us. Just know which ever you go for SS, Crit or Det won't matter much, unless you have a very bad ping like myself it should be about the same averagely.

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Ceveth is correct. We scale differently and what is true for them is not necessarily true for us. Just know which ever you go for SS, Crit or Det won't matter much, unless you have a very bad ping like myself it should be about the same averagely.

Shouldn't we scale the same way? My SMN's Ruin does around 200 damage, and adjusting that to Fire 1's potency (200/80*150*1.8) becomes 675 damage. Which sounds just about right without adjusting it for crit.

[NeoAmon]

Shouldn't we scale the same way? My SMN's Ruin does around 200 damage, and adjusting that to Fire 1's potency (200/80*150*1.8) becomes 675 damage. Which sounds just about right without adjusting it for crit.

That is a very limited view. You have to look at the two jobs fundamentals. SMN is a DOT Job with limited AoE (compared to a BLM) and limited burst, while BLM is heavy AoE and burst damage with limited DOT.

From there you go about the sustainability of the two jobs. SMN is a high sustained DPS while we are slow burst RNG based job.

Numbers wise, they need 450 Acc, we need 435. They don't value SS much, while it can be the best secondary stat for us. They also use/need/want Det or Crit for different reasons than us. You look at the two adds in Titan ex for example, if the BLM is a Crit build (s)he almost needs one of the double flares to crit to keep up in the total damage and DPS department.

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That is a very limited view. You have to look at the two jobs fundamentals. SMN is a DOT Job with limited AoE (compared to a BLM) and limited burst, while BLM is heavy AoE and burst damage with limited DOT.

From there you go about the sustainability of the two jobs. SMN is a high sustained DPS while we are slow burst RNG based job.

Numbers wise, they need 450 Acc, we need 435. They don't value SS much, while it can be the best secondary stat for us. They also use/need/want Det or Crit for different reasons than us. You look at the two adds in Titan ex for example, if the BLM is a Crit build (s)he almost needs one of the double flares to crit to keep up in the total damage and DPS department.

Your reply is riddled with fallacy. Why does any of what you said even matter when what we are talking about are stat scaling. With the exception of spell speed, determination and critical hit chance scales the same way for both classes.

[NeoAmon]

Your reply is riddled with fallacy. Why does any of what you said even matter when what we are talking about are stat scaling. With the exception of spell speed, determination and critical hit chance scales the same way for both classes.

I was trying to....nevermind . Since you already made the statement "determination and critical hit chance scales the same way for both classes" you ought to prove it.

[Sleigh]

Your reply is riddled with fallacy. Why does any of what you said even matter when what we are talking about are stat scaling. With the exception of spell speed, determination and critical hit chance scales the same way for both classes.

In terms of sustained DPS on paper, yes. Same thing with Spell Speed's on paper effect on sustained DPS for BLM compared to DET/CHR for BLM. They're all relatively close to each other on paper, in a training dummy environment.

In real fights CHR is way different on BLM than SMN. A crit from BLM can singlehandedly require less GCDs from everyone on a mechanic or add, something SMN can't hope to do with its slow but steady DoT damage (you could argue Fester can do this, and it can, but even that is less damage than a Fire III, and you only get three a minute). During AoE, using Flare rotations, enemies crit will often die a GCD faster, helping the situation more.

It's a matter of what the class's high potency nature does in combat, where preferring CHR over DET/SS can prove very useful, unlike SMN where they are much more interested in just raising average sustained damage more.