How come we can't play with friends?

[Orophin]

I love camping NMs and KSing and having to PvP others at the same time
I don't like fates I don't do them
If you don't like open world NMs with KSing and PvP don't do them? But why should they not exist at all in the game?

Because it doesn't follow SE's design philosophy. Thus the game is what it is.

guys you are asking for group leves. yw

But noooooo, according to another poster if it's not something that fosters competition so that you have to fight against them to claim it or do the most damage or w/e, it may as well just be an instance.

no one MADE you keep doing the content. You chose to. Removing content from the game every time they add more is a better plan in your opinion?

As if there was any choice in FFXI? Anything less than perfect in that game and you were considered a bad, meaning you get to keep farming sky for three years after it's been out so you have that best in slot gear for that one weapon skill.

[Faedden]

One.

-Mythology Tomes
-Extreme Primals
-Binding Coil of Bahamut
-PvP

I think she/he is talking about the top tier gear and there is only one way to get that, coil. Also pvp gear is..well...for pvp >.>

[Mogi]

Welcome to an MMO. Are you sure you're playing the right genre?

Not my first MMO but thank you if you ever feel like quitting ill take your stuff ty

[ErBear]

One.

-Mythology Tomes
-Extreme Primals
-Binding Coil of Bahamut
-PvP

lolok Yeah there is not just one content, but there is ONE content that you get the best gear for you class. Also there is no OPTIONS. This game is super linear in it's gear progression. Don't even try. stop trying to defend this game so hard.

[Mogi]

lolok Yeah there is not just one content, but there is ONE content that you get the best gear for you class. Also there is no OPTIONS. This game is super linear in it's gear progression. Don't even try. stop trying to defend this game so hard.

So id hope this is not your main right?

[Defiledsickness]

Wut? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. So because you don't want to put forth effort for good drops, make sure the mobs don't drop anything at all?

you're definitely not reading it right. effort is fine, currently you need to gear up then learn mechanics to complete endgame. this is effort. you also need to grind up to lvl 50. also effort. but waiting for up to 72 hours or a week while spamming a macro to target the nearest mob or spamming your map while subbing an illogical job for widescan is not effort. i have a fulltime job and while i appreciate difficulty (eg darksouls) i dont need this game to become a 2nd job. i dont want to state at my screen for hours until something pops.

now if u currently sit around all day and nms would alleviate your boredom... maybe take up a hobby instead. try paintball or arts and crafts or kayaking or something sheesh

[Roris]

It's a combination of a lot of things but it's mainly thanks to the mentality that only dungeon gear matters and crafted gear will never be better. FATEs are mostly the same as NMs without the claim wars which might be the main draw for some people but the majority would really do without, the thing is they're also lacking relevant drops which is funny because the system for FATE drops is already in place, it's just been limited to two rare spawn FATEs and even then their drops are all for vanity at best, oh and I guess it's also been used recently for daily quest drops that are only useful to complete those quests.

This could be so easily fixed by giving other FATEs a chance to drop crafting mats or even just aetherial gear if you really want to lock relevant gear to dungeons so badly, they could also give them a chance to drop an item that lets someone spawn the NM for themselves or their party levequest style, make that special spawn item U/U if you really want to limit their farming, and also by just making levequests relevant or adding challenging stuff like the old faction leves, or I guess more involved for lack of a better word if you really want to go with the "no it wasn't challenging just time consuming you're wrong everything 1.0 sucked" route.

Then of course there's also the issue of lack of difficulty thanks to most FATEs being just oversized versions of regular mobs and all of those being designed specifically as trash mobs that offer no real challenge only having 3 abilities at best.

[ErBear]

So id hope this is not your main right?

I'm Rokien. I don't play the game no more.

[Zarzak]

As if there was any choice in FFXI? Anything less than perfect in that game and you were considered a bad, meaning you get to keep farming sky for three years after it's been out so you have that best in slot gear for that one weapon skill.

And this is different than any MMO how? If you don't have the best gear now your considered bad. Find me a SMN running around in spell speed armor and lets have a discussion on what the general community thinks of this person.

You know the difference between XI and XIV? Your going to have to totally replace every slot every 4-5 months because that gear is now totally invalid. So when you spend 4 months farming those BiS legs and a week later they are worse than group gear. Come back and tell me how you feel about this subject.

[Faedden]

Snip

Nothing in this game requires effort. ._.
Need gear? That's fine spam this faceroll dungeon for tokens
Leveling? That's fine spam these faceroll zerg fests aka fates

Anyway if you don't want something to become a second job then don't camp the bosses, you seem to be fine with how this game is now (no bosses worth camping) so if they did (They wont) why bother with it?

I dont understand why people get so scared of competition or feel they should be able to get something that someone else worked hard for, for little to no effort.
I get it, you guys don't want bosses that drops the best gear, no one is even suggesting that. It's not hard to create multiple sets in the same ilvl range. That way farming bosses is completely OPTIONAL.