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    Puresin's Avatar
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    Pure Sin
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    Warrior Quality of Life Adustments.

    Hopefully a Dev or a CM sees this. Please make the following changes to Warrior.

    1. Take Inner Beast off the GCD.

    2. Allow Inner Beast to be used while Pacified.

    It is EXTREMELY clunky to use IB when it is tied to the GCD. Brutal Swing is useable when Pacified for obvious reasons, I propose Inner Beast be useable when Pacified for the same reasons.

    That is all.
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    Dante Huntington
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    Marauder Lv 70
    I don't know enough about the class to make a comment, but I saw a WARs health hit 10,300 the other day, that blew my mind.
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    Kori Fleming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntington View Post
    I don't know enough about the class to make a comment, but I saw a WARs health hit 10,300 the other day, that blew my mind.
    Can go higher.

    Also, IB off the GCD would be alright but using it while pacified is a bit.. mmmm idk. On top of that you'd have to bring down the damage on IB otherwise it'd be a bit ridiculous for something off the GCD. The only problem with using it during pacification is that it might be too big of a DPS increase - though that really depends on how much you bring IB's damage down to.
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    Diezel Lon'dik
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    As SpookyGhost said, I Greenlight Inner Beast being off Cooldown (VERY useful). Redlight IB being used while Pacified.

    Warrior got a big buff with patch 2.1. Do we still think it needs slight modifications to make it more viable? I hate to admit it, but I certainly do.
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    Altimis Farron
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    Inner Beast off Global Cool Down, Fuck Yeah

    but I sensed Pals ranting on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    Can go higher.

    Also, IB off the GCD would be alright but using it while pacified is a bit.. mmmm idk. On top of that you'd have to bring down the damage on IB otherwise it'd be a bit ridiculous for something off the GCD. The only problem with using it during pacification is that it might be too big of a DPS increase - though that really depends on how much you bring IB's damage down to.
    I don't really know why people think it would be too much damage off GCD, the 300 Potency matches PLD Spirits within at 300 on a 30s CD, and it takes approx 24 seconds to charge an IB. It's really not all that different and considering ull want to time ur IB's, you will more likely use it every 30 seconds rather than when it is charged.
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    Simon Baz
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    Anything off gcd is a DMG boost. You're stuffing more DMG into a specific amount of time. Pld needs spirits to e off gcd to even compete with war for DMG. With ib off gcd pld has no shot at all.
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    Supply Demand
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrlordd View Post
    I don't really know why people think it would be too much damage off GCD, the 300 Potency matches PLD Spirits within at 300 on a 30s CD....
    Its only 300 potency with full HP, it scales down as you get lower on HP - but I digress.

    You should NOT be able to use IB while pacified, but having it off the GCD is fair, in my opinion (i84 PLD, i79 WAR):

    1 - It moved from a 900 potency self heal to a small heal with a mitigation increase. All of PLD mitigation abilities are off GCD, which I am assuming is at least in part due to the fact that they are often woven into rotations, or that they sometimes need less than 2.75s notice (time between rock-buster and mountain buster, if you aren't memorizing attack order in each phase in Titan HM/EX).

    2 - Its not spam-able. Even if you were to do IB>Infuriate>IB off the GCD, you are kind of screwing yourself out of 2 attacks you could have done ON the GCD without losing a lot of time (I know doing that isn't smart because of the overlap in the IB mitigation buff, just making a pre-emptive counter-pointer RE: DPS increase).

    3 - This is my most subjective point, but I feel like it would make WARs more fun and tune them to be the true MT-specific role I feel that they are designed for. PLDs are insane-good off-tanks (stun, silence, Stoneskin, lolpaci, cover, etc), and I think having IB off the GCD would make WARs inch over PLDs as superior MTs. I know people resist that with PLD's cooldown suite, but if you think about the capability to focus on different things on those two classes...PLD can protect other members of the group with SS and Cover, stun mechanics more reliably, silence, blind, etc - whereas WAR can lolstun, do damage, and tank, and that's about it. It would make sense to me that from a mental capacity standpoint (assuming that is a limited resource) that the WAR class is designed to make you exhaust your mental resources on managing your health bar and mitigation, whereas PLD can get away with focusing a few things without taking a fatal konk to the dome. I think WARs deserve a little more power to compensate.

    Sorry for the semi-rant, TL;DR: off GCD: yes, during paci: no.
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    Last edited by Ehayte; 02-24-2014 at 11:42 PM.

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    Kitru Kitera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehayte View Post
    Its only 300 potency with full HP, it scales down as you get lower on HP - but I digress.
    Reduce damage by half (keeps pot/GCD the same as it is now) and increase self-healing to 200%. Keeps all performance as similar to current performance as possible (without getting into really weird numbers) except for IB being off of the GCD (which ends up decreasing the interval between IB uses by one GCD, which has some wonky potential results).
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    Traek Darksoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    Reduce damage by half (keeps pot/GCD the same as it is now) and increase self-healing to 200%. Keeps all performance as similar to current performance as possible (without getting into really weird numbers) except for IB being off of the GCD (which ends up decreasing the interval between IB uses by one GCD, which has some wonky potential results).
    While I still disagree with it being a big issue, I'd still much rather have this then what we have. Its not a bad compromise either way if its an area of concern for anyone. I look at it as, I'm a tank, I honestly don't care if they nerf damage reasonably for quality of life improvements, and essentially identical benefits (200% heal for half damage). I think its a silly argument, where we could use some unification to have a chance of getting things done for the betterment of Warrior.
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