"If you die twice, you're out"

[Gandora]

Experienced players who don't want to or perhaps have the time to carry people

Same players crying cause they have nothing else to do with their free time when they're capped on myth & done with their weekly kills.

Who tell you everyone want to be carried anyway?

[NoctisUmbra]

*obnoxiously large image*

Same players crying cause they have nothing else to do with their free time when they're capped on myth & done with their weekly kills.

Who tell you everyone want to be carried anyway?

You shouldn't be talking about crying. I don't need lessons on morality from an internet stranger.

Since you decided to make a modicum of a statement underneath that massive waste of space, I shall address it. I don't believe people are necessarily looking to be carried. I am fully open to have a player who is very much skilled or capable and ready in any way to join such a restricted party, even if they haven't had much experience in the fight itself.

If they are indeed so ready and capable, they will have no issues getting to the win along with the rest of the team and not dying repeatedly to mechanics.

The 2-3 death to kick parties are a wonderful compromise. It allows players who may not necessarily be too experienced, but are very confident in their skills, to join a farm party and potentially get the win. However, if their inexperience shows they get replaced. Plain and simple.

There are learning parties that attract people who want to spend time in a fight without worrying about said consequences.

There is literally nothing to complain about here. Unless you join a PF that turns out to be something other than what it claimed to be, there is no argument.

[SarcasmMisser]

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That's a pretty cool picture of you dude, I get the feeling that you'd stop caring about people helping each other and making friends as soon as people help you.

I have heaps of friends, LS and they all know how to to do EM primals. I rarely pug so by necessity I would have to have lots of friends, I don't need any more and I help the people I know. I'm not a one-man salvation army and neither are the people who create PF groups, if you had enough friends yourself what they do with their groups would be of little consequence to you so your rage is very telling.

I'm about one week away from having every EM primal weapon, some have already got them all so the incentive to even run them is declining for a lot of players. This is why merc runs exist, give them a financial incentive

Also calling discrimination in a MMO is first-world problems as all heck. Go outside and get some real issues.

[Gandora]

Go outside and get some real issues.

Wait what? Some people find it unacceptable to die twice inside a video game fight, to the point of "making 2 fail & you're out" rules and try to justify it with some sort of biast drawing bullshit story, basicaly comparing someone else mistakes as an attempt to bully, then these same players tell you this? LOL, Hypocrit.

That's a pretty cool picture of you dude, I get the feeling that you'd stop caring about people helping each other and making friends as soon as people help you.

I have heaps of friends, LS and they all know how to to do EM primals. I rarely pug so by necessity I would have to have lots of friends, I don't need any more and I help the people I know. I'm not a one-man salvation army and neither are the people who create PF groups, if you had enough friends yourself what they do with their groups would be of little consequence to you so your rage is very telling.

I'm about one week away from having every EM primal weapon, some have already got them all so the incentive to even run them is declining for a lot of players. This is why merc runs exist, give them a financial incentive.

You have been trying (and failing) every attempt to make sarcasm on this thread. Maybe your good friends could be usefull and help you to improve on this side? Seems its something you gonna have to work in priority after you get your last EM weapon.

To come back to the point, as you said outside are worst things to worry about, so why make it more difficult for yourself and for the others in a mmo?

Since now 8 pages (or maybe more) no one could give a proper explanation/reason on how treating someone that way is benefiting? I believe that if you play FFXIV its because you like it, right?

Otherwise why do you waste your time in here? You're clearly so much better, so much smarter, you deserve everything right? so why don't you go out and get it? I don't understand whats holding you? Because again you guys are so perfect, definately a model of society to get inspired from! You apparently never do any mistake and know everything better than anyone! No seriously guys its true, its coming from someone totaly complexed with no friends that are able to complete an EM primal! you guys are so cool, the emblems of success! You guys are so much better then us, we "noobs" doesn't deserve 5 mins of your time or to benefit from your knowledge of everything.

Now maybe I am being retarded for thinking that we're playing a mmo & that we should be able to keep calm and chill to relax with each others, yes relax! Maybe I am being retarded for thinking we should accept each other mistakes and be friendly to each others, in order to keep this game lively and enjoyable.

But what do you bring? out of your misplaced ego, your epeen and your shiny pixels? When someone come to ask you a simple question "What is your justification for that?" absolutely no one can answer, its all about "I don't want to carry X person" "Its my time" its me, me me me! oh yes, and then in order to get some credit all you can do is gather to try and make the person on the other side look bad.

You're playing a mmo, on top its supposed to be a casual mmo, if you don't like the fact that maybe 60% - 80% of this community doesn't fulfill your expectations, it did never come to your mind that "you" must be the problem? Yes maybe the problem is "you you you." Think about it.

Sarcasmfailer, don't take it personaly i'm replying to a generality, not only you.

That's a pretty cool picture of you dude

Just in case you did not realise this, the baby is white and I'm brown.

[WellGramarye]

Stuff.

You have been trying (and failing) every attempt to make sarcasm on this thread.

SarcasmMisser

I loled.

[ispano]

You're playing a mmo, on top its supposed to be a casual mmo, if you don't like the fact that maybe 60% - 80% of this community doesn't fulfill your expectations, it did never come to your mind that "you" must be the problem? Yes maybe the problem is "you you you." Think about it.

Maybe the people who make these groups KNOW this and are trying to find other like minded people. Not everyone plays games for the same reasons or the same way. Using a tool to help find like minded people who play in similar ways, is fine. Anyone who puts up a PF group for learning or "taking it easy" is doing the same thing.

Also you talked about it not being a complaint in one or more of your earlier posts. But it is. Some people are complaining that people are making groups like this. Raising awareness? We already know people do this, and it's OK that they do it. That's why it's a complaint, is that some people(not all mind you) are upset that people do this and think they shouldn't.

[Gandora]

That's why it's a complaint, is that some people(not all mind you) are upset that people do this and think they shouldn't.

The fact its happen is meaningless to me, I really don't bother interacting with people like that. What is upsetting is the fact the concerned persons try to justify this behavior in front of newer players with completely rubish reasons, leaving these new players the idea that no one is going to welcome them once they reach the end game stage. "We're not willing to carry you!"

With a mentality as such the community is only going to shrink, what is beneficial in that?

[ispano]

The fact its happen is meaningless to me, I really don't bother interacting with people like that. What is upsetting is the fact the concerned persons try to justify this behavior in front of newer players with completely rubish reasons, leaving these new players the idea that no one is going to welcome them once they reach the end game stage. "We're not willing to carry you!"

With a mentality as such the community is only going to shrink, what is beneficial in that?

And yet some of the reasons are not rubbish. You call them that so you can discount their views.

[NoctisUmbra]

The fact its happen is meaningless to me, I really don't bother interacting with people like that. What is upsetting is the fact the concerned persons try to justify this behavior in front of newer players with completely rubish reasons, leaving these new players the idea that no one is going to welcome them once they reach the end game stage. "We're not willing to carry you!"

With a mentality as such the community is only going to shrink, what is beneficial in that?

The act itself requires no justification. It is entirely self-explanatory and transparent.

If I put up a PF request for Garuda EX saying clearly that it is for experienced players in order to farm efficiently, I am clearly not looking for people who haven't cleared or have trouble performing. As a way to measure this, a limit is placed on how many times each party member can screw up in the forms of deaths - the usual result of getting hit by mechanics that you shouldn't get caught by.

Problems occur when inexperienced players join parties such as this that clearly ask for qualified individuals, and then proceed to screw up and cause wipes. They die 2-3 times and get replaced, as they fully expected to when they joined. Likewise, some inexperienced people have taken to starting such restricted farm parties in an attempt to have themselves carried - something that becomes clear when the party leader dies more than the others.

Everybody was a new player at some point. It's not about not welcoming new players onto the endgame stage. There are many ways to learn content and become adequately proficient at it. The point is, joining a farming party isn't the way.

[Araeya]

*insert a whole lot of double standards*

First, many people have politely explained why they prefer these parties to clear content. You just don't accept the answers. Simply, (other than those who do use it as a way to insult people) people looking for other like-minded people who have similar experience and expectations.

You're basically saying that what does not benefit you (not being able to be in any party you wish), or people who think like you, doesn't benefit another entire group of people? You expect people to use their time (which you apparently have no regard for, by the way) in the same way you choose to use yours? Your entire post focused on why you think everyone should do what you think they should be doing with their time and their money, especially if it gets you what you want. You, in no way, recognized that there are multiple options for gameplay and that it is always the player's choice to play how and when they like. No one is forcing you to join these parties, just like no one is forcing those people into learning parties.

I see so much complaining about discrimination (bit of a bold word to be used in regard to something you feel is casual) against less experienced players in this thread, when the reality is that the majority of the people going into (or forming) these 'discriminatory' parties also spent the time learning the fights via joining (or forming) learning parties. They put in their time and effort, helping and learning, but are expected to gain no reward (such as ease of doing weekly clears from then on) for doing so because, in your estimation, it doesn't benefit the community (you)? The logic in that is so utterly flawed that it's shocking. Mind you, forming a group gives no one the right to be insulting due to mistakes, but to feel you have the right to tell another person what guidelines to use in forming their own groups in a game they spend their free time playing and their money paying for, following the game's policies, is arrogant beyond reason. Perhaps more arrogant than you accuse them of being.

I will continue to form learning parties for content I am not clearing with my static. Anyone can feel free to join them, with the guidelines being that patience and civility is required. I will also continue to form "2 fail = removal" parties when I am confident in my ability to clear said content, and anyone is welcome to join those, as well, with the guidelines that they will be politely replaced if their mistakes (or connection issues) are holding back the group as a whole. No one is forcing them to join either group, but they just might find that, in either case, the groups go much more smoothly because they are full of people who have the same expectations.

Why does this even need to be explained? It's common sense, and not something that merits complaint (and yes, it is complaint) on the forums. Really, it just comes off as being upset that a group may not have the same expectations you have, and as people who would rather complain about a thing than just form their own groups with guidelines they feel are appropriate.