"If you die twice, you're out"

[Edenholt]

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Can't talk about your experiences, but my experiences with PF on ragnarok have been always great. Even if the party break apart I never got into any name calling situation. Had some impatient folks, but nothing enough to make me wanna quit and come complain about it on the forums. And I'm talking about party Finder, not duty finder, being the later a cesspool. You're not forced join groups with set rules like "kick after 2 deaths", I myself stay away from those.

And a pro-tip for those complaining there isn't training parties on PF: you can start your own. It doesn't cost anything but time.

[Gandora]

Can't talk about your experiences, but my experiences with PF on ragnarok have been always great. Even if the party break apart I never got into any name calling situation. Had some impatient folks, but nothing enough to make me wanna quit and come complain about it on the forums. And I'm talking about party Finder, not duty finder, being the later a cesspool. You're not forced join groups with set rules like "kick after 2 deaths", I myself stay away from those.

And a pro-tip for those complaining there isn't training parties on PF: you can start your own. It doesn't cost anything but time.

I totaly agree with you for most of that, my only disagreement is the fact you use the word "complain", why when you try to raise awarness people see it as complain?


You know I'd not care much if only a little bit of people were doing it, but the problem is that it spread through the playerbase & now everyone do it, like if it was fashionable. And when you start seeing friends leaving the game because every days when they try to progress they encounter that mentality..

I myself totaly avoid these party but I love the game and when I see people trying to justify open discrimination (lets be honest its what it is) with such silly example "the one given by lololink with the drawing" I start to ask myself whats wrong with the playerbase.

remember that we are talking about PLAYERS (humans!) and i dont know any human that doesnt make mistakes and is perfect 100% all the time.

What was the answer to the whole post?

This only works if you know the player, if you don't know if the player is really bad and unexperienced or he just have a really bad day then you can't take risks ( except if you want to try it for 10 H a day all the week )

I just want to ask, what stop you to take 20 more mins & communicate/make a good friend out of this? You're playing a MMO, keep calm & chill, make friends, learn from their mistake and help them to improve.

[NoctisUmbra]

I totaly agree with you for most of that, my only disagreement is the fact you use the word "complain", why when you try to raise awarness people see it as complain?

...and exactly what are you trying to raise awareness to? Experienced players who don't want to or perhaps have the time to carry people using the PF as intended to form a party with specific rules conducive to that goal? If so, then not only am I (or anybody who plays the game really) aware of this but as a matter of fact I expected it. Furthermore, I am quite happy that when I pop open the PF I see a mix of learning parties and farm parties for various primals regularly.

[Itseotle]

This amuses me in Party Finder. I'd love it if the person starting the party died twice, and followed their own rules and left the party.

If the group wipes twice, I'm out :P

[Gandora]

Experienced players who don't want to or perhaps have the time to carry people

Same players crying cause they have nothing else to do with their free time when they're capped on myth & done with their weekly kills.

Who tell you everyone want to be carried anyway?

[ErBear]

It's a very toxic community, reason why one of my friends quit the game.

[NoctisUmbra]

*obnoxiously large image*

Same players crying cause they have nothing else to do with their free time when they're capped on myth & done with their weekly kills.

Who tell you everyone want to be carried anyway?

You shouldn't be talking about crying. I don't need lessons on morality from an internet stranger.

Since you decided to make a modicum of a statement underneath that massive waste of space, I shall address it. I don't believe people are necessarily looking to be carried. I am fully open to have a player who is very much skilled or capable and ready in any way to join such a restricted party, even if they haven't had much experience in the fight itself.

If they are indeed so ready and capable, they will have no issues getting to the win along with the rest of the team and not dying repeatedly to mechanics.

The 2-3 death to kick parties are a wonderful compromise. It allows players who may not necessarily be too experienced, but are very confident in their skills, to join a farm party and potentially get the win. However, if their inexperience shows they get replaced. Plain and simple.

There are learning parties that attract people who want to spend time in a fight without worrying about said consequences.

There is literally nothing to complain about here. Unless you join a PF that turns out to be something other than what it claimed to be, there is no argument.

[wildgalax]

why is this still being discussed? wait... why is there even a discussion to begin with?

if you dont like the conditions in pf dont join, its as simple as that. pf you can recruit your own special elite or dream group w/e you want, "must show at least 3 ex primal weapons" "must have above x dps" w/e.

dont like it make your own or join another group. I joined an ifrit ex recently that had a prerequisite of cleared, we 1 shotted it, however someone got achievement unlocked and back to cs, so obviously that was his first clear, leader still blacklisted him since he felt lied to. If they want to blacklist you dont see a problem, ive seen a lot of cases where people dont meet the requirements and join, never seen people act harshly, sometimes just ended with a boot since people felt they were wasting peoples time. Usually the excuse is lag, and that is the case sometimes, however othertimes from doing the fight 100 times you can tell if someone has mastered the fight or not, i.e how quickly they adapt to phases, their positioning,etc. a lot of things just give away if someonce bluffing or not. You see it in the pf join someone elses group, people have the right to make niche groups and seek specific players.

[Issac]

We sure do have a flippin' fantastic community.

Way to set an example, guys. Really, bravo.

[Davionx]

Being good at playing ff14 is on par with being good at picking out specific colors of smarties, someone deserves a pat on the head!