"If you die twice, you're out"

[BlackPriest]

So people that want people at their skill level should be ridiculed for not taking someone near as skilled and would cause party wipes because they die to already easy content?

I do indeed create 2 death parties. And if in fact I die in them from lag or whatever I remove myself. I have the achievement for clears and 4 primal weapons. I dont want to carry people nor do I want a carry. The fact is a large portion of the player base is flat out derps. The restriction is there to scare them away. And even if they do join the party it is also there to remove them in hopes of getting the party a clear.

Duty finder and grouping with friend/fc is there to help you learn. IF you get in one of the said groups you are getting in a farm or a 1 shot group.

in short dealwithit.com

[Hitome]

So people that want people at their skill level should be ridiculed for not taking someone near as skilled and would cause party wipes because they die to already easy content?

I do indeed create 2 death parties. And if in fact I die in them from lag or whatever I remove myself. I have the achievement for clears and 4 primal weapons. I dont want to carry people nor do I want a carry. The fact is a large portion of the player base is flat out derps. The restriction is there to scare them away. And even if they do join the party it is also there to remove them in hopes of getting the party a clear.

Duty finder and grouping with friend/fc is there to help you learn. IF you get in one of the said groups you are getting in a farm or a 1 shot group.

in short dealwithit.com

I do something similar. Instead, I write in PF: "You may die/screw up as many times as I do + **some base number here**." So I'll give them maybe 2 free deaths + the amount of times I screw up or die. Usually this works in scaring people off. I have only had to remove a few players who were obviously new and trying to join an experienced/farming run.

I've done farming runs on Ultima where one of the WHMs would die every time. Didn't actually remove him since we were killing him every time as well. If it had been Titan Ex, though, it would be a different story...

If you're wondering why we do this, it's simply because we are not there to teach you. I have seen many, many PF groups that have formed with the "new players welcome/let's learn the fight together" tag up. It is nice to know new players have an option to join these groups (or even make their own).

If I am playing with a very limited amount of time or know that I will need to kill something 20+ times in one day for a moderate chance at an item, I don't want these players in my group. I just want people there who have done it so many times that it just becomes a dance to them just like it is to me.

You don't have to join these groups and you can even BLIST the leader of the group so you don't have to interact with them again. That might be the best thing to do for both parties.

Time is a precious resource to some. Maybe respect that? If you can't respect my wishes, I have no interest in speaking with you.

The vast majority of people only do this because they're impatient or want to be carried.

Your logic is flawlessed.

[KarstenS]

So I'll give them maybe 2 free deaths + the amount of times I screw up or die.

So when the tank fails, you kick the DDs and heals because they die?

Looooooool

[Gandora]

If I am playing with a very limited amount of time or know that I will need to kill something 20+ times in one day for a moderate chance at an item, I don't want these players in my group. I just want people there who have done it so many times that it just becomes a dance to them just like it is to me.

Circle jerk complex?

[Hitome]

So when the tank fails, you kick the DDs and heals because they die?

Looooooool

I'm sure you thought this was clever, looking at my lodestone profile and thinking my main job was a tank.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Jokes on you I play all three roles. My main is actually a BLM and my alt a SCH. Both have the same ilevel.

When someone makes a mistake, I'll let them make it a few more times + the amount of times I make a mistake before I tell them it isn't working. Problem?

Circle jerk complex?

Inferiority complex?

And to reply to your question, thanks to WoW.

It's funny because you think this is exclusive to WoW. Maybe you weren't aware of the rampant elitism in 11...maybe because you never played it.

You should get to the content we are talking about then you will see why there are strong attempts at QC in the party finder.

Eh they have all the answers and all the time in the world. I say letting them find out first hand is all it will take.

Of course, most of them will never make it to this content.

[LineageRazor]

It's funny because you think this is exclusive to WoW. Maybe you weren't aware of the rampant elitism in 11...maybe because you never played it.

The rampant elitism wasn't too hard to avoid in FFXI. You just needed to not join the elitist linkshells. They were pretty self-contained, and the closest exposure you'd get to those sorts of people were when they'd join exp parties to level alts or whatever, and then you'd just have to put up with their assholery untiil the session was over. There were plenty of Linkshells that were much more low-key, where no one would get into a frothy rage if you dared to show your face without a level 99 Empyrean weapon or whatever.

Such elitism can often be avoided in this game as well, so long as you watch for party finder comments like the one this thread is titled after and just avoid them. Duty Finder, unfortunately, will lump you in with them - but I'd guess that elitists likely seldom use Duty Finder anyway.

The bottom line, I guess, is that elitism isn't hard to avoid as long as you aren't concerned with constantly being on the bleeding edge in terms of equipment. As unpleasant as they are, elitists DO tend to get the job done, so the fastest way to get access to the hottest new items is to put up with their crap.

[Hitome]

The rampant elitism wasn't too hard to avoid in FFXI. You just needed to not join the elitist linkshells. They were pretty self-contained, and the closest exposure you'd get to those sorts of people were when they'd join exp parties to level alts or whatever, and then you'd just have to put up with their assholery untiil the session was over. There were plenty of Linkshells that were much more low-key, where no one would get into a frothy rage if you dared to show your face without a level 99 Empyrean weapon or whatever.

We seem to have different memories from 11. I remember a period of time with a lovely pink bird and something called a merit party. Or wonderful shouts in Aht Urhgan requiring ridiculous things of people for missions, assault, salvage, Nyzul, etc.

Remember that one time you joined the group without an appropriate sub job leveled?

The only reason it was more contained in 11 was because we didn't have an interface like PF. Search comments and shout were the name of the game and didn't really receive the kind of traffic PF does.

There are 2 kinds of people using the "2 deaths = kick".

1) Noobs who need to be carried.
2) People who are killing it every week but are bored to wipe for 2h every day against Titan EX.

I'm not in any of these groups, I don't create parties.

And this is pretty much the problem. Too few chiefs, not enough idioms. People are always free to make their own parties. Many never do.

When you run your own party, you stick your own rules in your PF search tag. You set the boundaries and conditions. It's the simplest fix to this problem you are seeing.

[Gandora]

Inferiority complex?

Tell me since you're apparently so smart, who is complexed the most? The people who blist/kick people out for two mistakes because "OMG ONE DEATH QQ NO TIME FOR THAT QQ" or the persons who are willing to offer help whatever what it cost to enjoy the content and make friends?

"We dont want to waste time" Why do you play a mmo in the 1st place then? Get out & do something more constructive/productive lol.

It's funny because you think this is exclusive to WoW. Maybe you weren't aware of the rampant elitism in 11...maybe because you never played it.

Well guess what, I have been playing XI for 9 years, a game where you had to be skilled & WoW (5 months) which was brainless, and introduced me to push on buttons mindlessly. This system came from WoW, along with the crappy playerbase who praise themselve out of what? Dodging 3 mechanics? lol.


Anyway carry on with the thread >.>;

[Hitome]

Tell me since you're apparently so smart, who is complexed the most? The people who blist/kick people out for two mistakes because "OMG ONE DEATH QQ NO TIME FOR THAT QQ" or the persons who are willing to offer help whatever what it cost to enjoy the content and make friends?

We have two options that enable PF to distinguish between groups: new players welcome/let's learn the fight together and experienced players only/high level gear/you cause multiple wipes = boot.

I'd still say you have the complex since you do not realize there are actually two options yet choose to focus on one.

"We dont want to waste time" Why do you play a mmo in the 1st place then? Get out & do something more constructive/productive lol.

I have oodles of time. Please stop directing your comments at me. I am the one who joins DF Titan HM, DF primal extremes, hydra/chim, etc groups to help others. SOME people, however, actually have a more hectic real life than me and can only play so long every night. You should take their feelings into consideration.

Well guess what, I have been playing XI for 9 years, a game where you had to be skilled & WoW (5 months) which was brainless, and introduced me to push on buttons mindlessly. This system came from WoW, along with the crappy playerbase who praise themselve out of what? Dodging 3 mechanics? lol.

Yeah 5 months must've given you quite a bit of experience. *roll eyes* Much of the heroic content in WoW was pretty challenging. I never saw this rampant elitism in WoW in LFD or even in LFR. The elitism was saved for PVP, of course.

I find it funny that you think 11 required skill.

[Gandora]

We have two options that enable PF to distinguish between groups: new players welcome/let's learn the fight together and experienced players only/high level gear/you cause multiple wipes = boot.

I'd still say you have the complex since you do not realize there are actually two options yet choose to focus on one.

This give a valuable reason to show animosity toward each others, is that what you imply? What you call complex I call patience.

I have oodles of time. Please stop directing your comments at me. I am the one who joins DF Titan HM, DF primal extremes, hydra/chim, etc groups to help others. SOME people, however, actually have a more hectic real life than me and can only play so long every night. You should take their feelings into consideration.

I quoted you partialy because of the "We don't want to waste time." part, don't think i'm targeting you personaly but more the people doing it.

Yeah 5 months must've given you quite a bit of experience. *roll eyes* Much of the heroic content in WoW was pretty challenging. I never saw this rampant elitism in WoW in LFD or even in LFR. The elitism was saved for PVP, of course.

I find it funny that you think 11 required skill.

I started both at the same time (or nearly) and was more attracted to XI due to its system, which involve more skills then WoW & definately more than XIV.

Why don't you create PF 24/7 (let's say Titan XM) to give the noobs a chance to kill it ?

I did it for Garuda X, i'll do it for titan X without any problem because anyone have to start somewhere.

You see the problem with people like you is that they label someone else as "noob" & would rather unconsciously disrespect them for the sake of misplaced self pride. But hey guess what, flash news! In that load of people you below are players that could outparse you easily or outdo you on tank/healer once they feel comfortable with the fight.

But i'll give you two the credit, I guess i'm the one in the wrong, because I never look down at other players and I am rather willing to help them & make new friends. I'm obviously complexed.