"If you die twice, you're out"

[LineageRazor]

It's funny because you think this is exclusive to WoW. Maybe you weren't aware of the rampant elitism in 11...maybe because you never played it.

The rampant elitism wasn't too hard to avoid in FFXI. You just needed to not join the elitist linkshells. They were pretty self-contained, and the closest exposure you'd get to those sorts of people were when they'd join exp parties to level alts or whatever, and then you'd just have to put up with their assholery untiil the session was over. There were plenty of Linkshells that were much more low-key, where no one would get into a frothy rage if you dared to show your face without a level 99 Empyrean weapon or whatever.

Such elitism can often be avoided in this game as well, so long as you watch for party finder comments like the one this thread is titled after and just avoid them. Duty Finder, unfortunately, will lump you in with them - but I'd guess that elitists likely seldom use Duty Finder anyway.

The bottom line, I guess, is that elitism isn't hard to avoid as long as you aren't concerned with constantly being on the bleeding edge in terms of equipment. As unpleasant as they are, elitists DO tend to get the job done, so the fastest way to get access to the hottest new items is to put up with their crap.

[Hitome]

The rampant elitism wasn't too hard to avoid in FFXI. You just needed to not join the elitist linkshells. They were pretty self-contained, and the closest exposure you'd get to those sorts of people were when they'd join exp parties to level alts or whatever, and then you'd just have to put up with their assholery untiil the session was over. There were plenty of Linkshells that were much more low-key, where no one would get into a frothy rage if you dared to show your face without a level 99 Empyrean weapon or whatever.

We seem to have different memories from 11. I remember a period of time with a lovely pink bird and something called a merit party. Or wonderful shouts in Aht Urhgan requiring ridiculous things of people for missions, assault, salvage, Nyzul, etc.

Remember that one time you joined the group without an appropriate sub job leveled?

The only reason it was more contained in 11 was because we didn't have an interface like PF. Search comments and shout were the name of the game and didn't really receive the kind of traffic PF does.

There are 2 kinds of people using the "2 deaths = kick".

1) Noobs who need to be carried.
2) People who are killing it every week but are bored to wipe for 2h every day against Titan EX.

I'm not in any of these groups, I don't create parties.

And this is pretty much the problem. Too few chiefs, not enough idioms. People are always free to make their own parties. Many never do.

When you run your own party, you stick your own rules in your PF search tag. You set the boundaries and conditions. It's the simplest fix to this problem you are seeing.