New Idea for future "Jobs"

[barbosa]

ninja was never meant to be a tank in 11 either yet it ended up being so..... but I wanna play ninja so bad no matter what role

[Warrlordd]

I think that if they implement NIN and DRK one or the other would be a tank. Since NIN is a dumb idea for tank, well the odds are on DRK to be the tank in that one. Both seem equally desired and Yoshi said he'd prefer to implement classes that people are anxious for.

Btw in case anyone still thinks NIN oughta tank, it's a dumb idea. staaahhhp it.

[Enkidoh]

If Merlwyb is anything to focus on, we'll have it. Paladins are somewhat based on the Sultana's Guards from what I saw of my brother's questline introing the Paladin's Soul Stone. I think some of the jobs still exist for specific NPCs to mirror. So if we have an NPC with a special type of job, it could be a hint towards what we can expect since they'd be based on the same concept of the Class/Job system.

PLDs are the royal guards of Ul'dah - they're called the Sultansworn, and PLD AF is their official uniform. The player is actually called a 'free PLD' though, essentially a hedge knight rather than one in service to a monarch like the Sultansworn are.

That being said...what the hell was the shield bearing general from the Garlean army? I know there was a supposed "Shield" based class in one of the many "new Jobs" threads, I just don't remember what it was called.

The 'shield' class you refer to was actually in 1.0 at the start of service, it was called 'Sentinel' (or 'SEN' for short) - it wasn't a true Discipline of War though, but rather a sub-class opened up if you equipped a shield. However, although all classes that could equip shields gained Skill Points towards the class, only GLA could actually make use of SEN abilities, and then only if they were equipped with a shield. SEN was scrapped when classes were redesigned to allow Jobs to be added however, so this is now redundant. I presume Rhtitayn's class was a unique one that made use of his special magitek weaponry, like the other Garlean bosses, so it's highly unlikely such abilities would ever offered to the player.

[Twizffxi]

The whole point of ninjas is to be stealthy -- to AVOID detection and fade into the shadows.

Correct Remain Hidden Until they Attack. Which Give them an Advantage and allows them to deal a Lethal blow. And then run away as they are not Suited for Sustained Combat? Incorrect. Ninja's would Attack and then be Chased. where they draw the target into a 1v1 or #v1 fight where they would have the Advantage. But this a game so that would never happen the ninja would have to stand and fight solo....

They are the embodiment of the exact opposite of "holding enmity".
The idea of them purposely holding an enemies attention is silly.

Until they Strike. at which Time any enemy which has not been killed in the initial attack is Acutely and INTENTLY aware of there presence and is Actively and purposely seeking to eliminate them. IE giving Chase or focusing soley on that target while being draw to a location where he would be at a disadvantage and surrounded. But this a game so that would never happen the ninja would just Disappear and could return to kill the target who's health wouldnt regenerate after the ninja left combat....

The ONLY time Ninjas were remotely tanky is in FFXI, which was a terrible game and screwed up a lot of things about FF.
I realize you likely disagree with that since your name is "Twizffxi" but surely even you must see that FFXI did a lot of crap to various classes to try to shoehorn them into an MMO context that just didnt mesh well with what they have traditionally always been in FF, Ninja perhaps most of all.

I disagree that FFXI was a Terrible game. Considering the Platform it was developed for and the Overall design it was good for its time. And its Performance shows that i am not only one to agree. But yes it did Shoehorn alot... no it didn't Players did. Ninja wasn't developed as a tank it was Frontline Melee/cast Hybrid that players shoehorned into the role.

Ninjas dont want attention. They dont want enmity. They dont take hits well and dont magically dodge everything. They want to hide in the shadows, unseen, and wait for an opportune time to strike and then fade back into the shadows.

So we agree that Ninja should be a DPS class. Good.
i was simply saying that Ninja ALSO used tactics that would incite Fear in their targets which would spread stories that would cause anyone to focus on anyone that resembles a Story. As i said before Heavy Armor does not mean Biggest Threat.

Players will use jobs how they want and Fit them into any roll they can. Dragoon OT in Garuda EX is a prime example of that. They are not meant to tank but they can do it since players choose to. i have Used my MNK to tank bossing in Dungeons and Monk is CLEARLY not a tank class right?

[XanderOlivieri]

PLDs are the royal guards of Ul'dah - they're called the Sultansworn, and PLD AF is their official uniform. The player is actually called a 'free PLD' though, essentially a hedge knight rather than one in service to a monarch like the Sultansworn are.

I only brought this up because in another thread (I think it was another. pretty sure it wasn't here) someone said that the Job Stones were for Jobs that no longer exists. To the best of my knowledge only Summoner and Scholar were lost arts and all of the other Job stone classes existed in Eorzea. I only knew about the Sultansworn cause my brother just unlocked his Paladin and I sat there and watched him do the opening quest. My point there was to the person I was responding to: Merlwyb uses 2 Guns as her main focus for a weapon and is most likely the Job class that follows the Musketeer. Kanna-E-Sanna is also a White Mage I believe.

Thank you for assisting my post with more accurate information though.

The 'shield' class you refer to was actually in 1.0 at the start of service, it was called 'Sentinel' (or 'SEN' for short) - it wasn't a true Discipline of War though, but rather a sub-class opened up if you equipped a shield. However, although all classes that could equip shields gained Skill Points towards the class, only GLA could actually make use of SEN abilities, and then only if they were equipped with a shield. SEN was scrapped when classes were redesigned to allow Jobs to be added however, so this is now redundant. I presume Rhtitayn's class was a unique one that made use of his special magitek weaponry, like the other Garlean bosses, so it's highly unlikely such abilities would ever offered to the player.

Taking his skills out of the equation cause even the chick in the White Armor and the guy in Red Armor had different skills than their supposed Eorzean Class. I would like to see a Shield as a main weapon based class. Like with Merlwyb, I'd like to at least count it as a possibility for a future Class/Job. Though that is simply my wishful thinking for more diverse Class sets. (Makes me think of Royal Knight from Ragnarok Online, the 3.0 Job Class for Crusader who uses 2 shields as weapons and can equip a shield in the main weapon slot.)

[Kitru]

To the best of my knowledge only Summoner and Scholar were lost arts and all of the other Job stone classes existed in Eorzea.

It depends upon how you define "lost art".

The only remaining WARs are from a barbarian tribe far to the north that have largely died out. Curious Gorge is the last remnant of the WAR fighting style.
BLM is explicitly a lost art because you're tapping in to magicks that were sealed away long ago. You're aren't just *a* Black Mage in its story; you are the *Black Mage*. The others that you deal with are either heralds possessed by other powers or caretakers of secrets that they aren't entirely capable of accessing.
WHM is an art lost to anyone that isn't a Padshal (or whatever the race of the ruler of Gridania is) because they refused to teach it to anyone that wasn't one of them when it was sealed away in the same time that Black Magic was.

The most important thing to realize is that classes are accessible to pretty much anyone: you join the guild and, even if you're not great at it, you can still learn what they're up to. The jobs, on the other hand, are exclusive. WAR and BRD are only accessible through mentors who are caretakers of rare/lost arts; BLM, SMN, and SCH are lost arts only now coming back; WHM and PLD can only be taught by *incredibly* exclusive organizations with very strict admittance policies; MNK can only be learned by someone with a specific type of chakra; DRG is only usable by whoever literally carries the soulstone and is chosen as *the* dragoon.

Basically, classes are available to everyone while jobs are available only to a *tiny* subset of people with unique capabilities or destinies. Also, even if classes can be used by anyone in Eorzea, it's also important to remember that you're the *best* practitioner of that art in the entire guild; at level 30, you've basically gained skills on par with the guildmaster, who directs you to your job quest because they sense that you can do even more (and they are, themselves, at the limits of their skills).

[Kitru]

Red Mage would be a caster type, possibly healer like scholar.

I greatly doubt that Red Mage would be a straight up caster. The only game where Red Mage was like that was FFXI, which the ARR devs have shown a predilection towards not following too closely. Red Mage has, historically, been more of a melee/caster hybrid that uses swords, white magic, and black magic interchangeably. As such, if they don't implement the hybrid role, which RDM would be pretty much the archetype of, it would probably make more sense for RDM to be an mDPS melee fighter with a magical theme (e.g. sword strikes empowered by magic or sword strikes complimented by magic).

The most likely next healer would probably be Dancer, since there aren't really very many healers in the FF series beyond WHM, and it fits somewhat (BRD would make *more* sense, but BRD is a DPS so that's out). There's a reason that the devs had to go with SCH, which has a tiny and very vague definition in the series, as a second healer. The "healer" for the series has pretty much *always* been WHM and nothing else. Besides Dancer and *maybe* Chemist (not likely due to the ALC DoH job), every other "healer" job is basically just a minute variation/specialization on WHM.