Teratotaur doom mechanic

[Lyrro]

It's not really "cheating" any more than LoS'ing the big golem with pillars in AK first boss, Imminent Catastrophe on last boss, Garuda's Mistral Shriek/Song, among others. There's a reason primals/coil battlefields are flat and featureless.

This is the same format for reasoning people use to say T2 enraged, twintania enraged, and every other exploit is a legitimate strategy. Hell, swap the names of the locations and you've got the exact same arguement my roommate makes about how camping in CoD requires strategy and know how. People who use these exploits tend to convince themselves that it's a legit strategy by making it sound like it requires skill to do, but when you cut away all the ego bandages you're left with the fact that it's still an exploit. I spent a long time on t2 to learn the legit strategy and months downing it, so when I had to pug a group and we did enraged method I couldn't help but think of how pathetic those people are who try to say it requires skill. Healers literally just keep regen on the tank and help dps until you get to the boss, then just cast aoe heals over and over. Dps just stands there and does their thing, and the tank literally has no worries because he's got three healers on him.

It's player choice whether to use these exploits, but when you choose to use them you often force your team, especially new players, to conform to that exploit which in the end results in players who cannot beat the fight without that exploit. Using myself as an example with the AK tree at first boss. When I was learning how to run AK I was a whm and I could not find a group that wouldn't require me to climb the tree unless I was in a fc group, and at the time I didn't run AK very often with my fc because CM was still the fast way to farm tomes. Yes, I said require, as in the tank would literally just stand there, under the tree, and wait for me to climb before he/she would aggro the boss. When I would jump down after the fight started I would get raged because dps would now have to kill the golems and the fight would take "that much longer".

If SE ever does fix these exploits, which I'm doubting since they seem to encourage exploiting, all those new players who were taught to use the exploit will not be able to win the fight without it, which in turn hurts the players who can because they have to teach those guys how to do it. Too often you don't get any warning that the person doesn't know the fight and usually end up wiping at least once before the inexperienced person will say "I don't know how to do this".

Btw, just for the humor, my roommate gets so pissed off when other people camp. I can always hear him shouting through the wall about how they're "cheating @#$%$" but when I point out the fact that he does it all the time he goes back to saying how it requires skill.

[Maku]

SE already stated T2 enrage isn't an exploit. I do it both ways. Enrage is easier but I just do what the party wants. Just cause you think it is silly strat doesn't make it an exploit.

[Lyrro]

SE already stated T2 enrage isn't an exploit. I do it both ways. Enrage is easier but I just do what the party wants. Just cause you think it is silly strat doesn't make it an exploit.

I'd like to stick to the OP for this, but I also feel this provides a good opportunity to make a point. If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any strategy to win a fight which would otherwise require strategy and player competence, then it's an exploit, plain and simple. I honestly don't care if the devs at SE say it's not an exploit, because as it stands, FFXIV is turning into a pay-to-win game where exploits are a welcomed strategy. The only reason t2 enrage is an acceptable method is because it allows casual players to get their free loot from coil, which in turn saves SE the effort of having to nerf that turn with the upcoming update, which in turn saves them time and money. If you want proof, look at the Twintania exploit which was nerfed despite the fact that it was an almost identical "strategy". The only difference between the two being that SE wanted T5 to be that stepping stone you had to take for the bragging rights and weapons. The podiums in the boss room in AK were placed there so players could LoS the golem to avoid his aoes, hence the size of the aoe zone and the fact that the aoe can't hit you through the podium. Teratotaur's doom attack was meant to hit every player in the room, hence the entire room getting hit rather than just an aoe zone. When you climb atop the wall in Teratotaur's room so he cannot hit you, while you're still able to hit him, that is an exploit.

[Maku]

If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any strategy to win a fight which would otherwise require strategy and player competence, then it's an exploit, plain and simple. I honestly don't care if the devs at SE say it's not an exploit, because as it stands, FFXIV is turning into a pay-to-win game where exploits are a welcomed strategy.

Technically speaking the term strategy is a plan to accomplish something. The enrage strat is a strat because you do have to plan, in that you do have to either have an extra DPS or an extra healer. You also have to plan to wait for the tick down. So really you are using a strategy though I do admit it is a very easy and almost fool proof one, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a strat.

The doom mechanic doesn't actually cover the whole area either. If you pull the boss all the way to the back corner the opposite corner is not engulfed in red and you do not get doomed though you also are out of range to do anything to the mob.

I am sorry to ruin your high horse "I am better than y'all because I do stuff the hard way" but SE decides what are exploits and what are not, not you, not me and certainly not that guy over there.

[Shmunkster]

Teratotaur's doom attack was meant to hit every player in the room, hence the entire room getting hit rather than just an aoe zone. When you climb atop the wall in Teratotaur's room so he cannot hit you, while you're still able to hit him, that is an exploit.

As others have said, and I have...it IS an AOE. You think otherwise because tanking is done central (so tank has quick access to all doom-pads) so it generally hits everyone anywhere. If we tanked Tera up on the pillar, we would get doom on the pillar. The high pillar/wall/platform shoes don't have anything to do with it

Sometimes my tank can't get rid of doom in time and dies, and Tera comes to give me a kiss. Know what I do? Run to the furthest corner from my DPS. Why? Cos his next Doom will give them a safe zone in the opposite corner. On the floor; not up a pillar, or on a wall, just on the floor...in the opposite corner. Doesn't awlays work if the DPS are kicking-ass...he tries to kiss them instead.
No different that tanking all those enemies facing corners/walls.....reduce area affected by aoe....you just can't really do that with Tera, cos the tank needs to be near the tiles.

[SeraviEdalborez]

It's player choice whether to use these exploits, but when you choose to use them you often force your team, especially new players, to conform to that exploit which in the end results in players who cannot beat the fight without that exploit.

Sucks to be those players then. Adaptability is part of the game.

[Viridiana]

This is the same format for reasoning people use to say T2 enraged, twintania enraged, and every other exploit is a legitimate strategy.

I wasn't aware that people were intentionally enraging Twintania and then winning. How does that one work?

[Lyrro]

I wasn't aware that people were intentionally enraging Twintania and then winning. How does that one work?

It doesn't work anymore. When SE found out people were doing it they called it an exploit and did away with it.