Teratotaur doom mechanic

[Maku]

SE already stated T2 enrage isn't an exploit. I do it both ways. Enrage is easier but I just do what the party wants. Just cause you think it is silly strat doesn't make it an exploit.

[Lyrro]

SE already stated T2 enrage isn't an exploit. I do it both ways. Enrage is easier but I just do what the party wants. Just cause you think it is silly strat doesn't make it an exploit.

I'd like to stick to the OP for this, but I also feel this provides a good opportunity to make a point. If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any strategy to win a fight which would otherwise require strategy and player competence, then it's an exploit, plain and simple. I honestly don't care if the devs at SE say it's not an exploit, because as it stands, FFXIV is turning into a pay-to-win game where exploits are a welcomed strategy. The only reason t2 enrage is an acceptable method is because it allows casual players to get their free loot from coil, which in turn saves SE the effort of having to nerf that turn with the upcoming update, which in turn saves them time and money. If you want proof, look at the Twintania exploit which was nerfed despite the fact that it was an almost identical "strategy". The only difference between the two being that SE wanted T5 to be that stepping stone you had to take for the bragging rights and weapons. The podiums in the boss room in AK were placed there so players could LoS the golem to avoid his aoes, hence the size of the aoe zone and the fact that the aoe can't hit you through the podium. Teratotaur's doom attack was meant to hit every player in the room, hence the entire room getting hit rather than just an aoe zone. When you climb atop the wall in Teratotaur's room so he cannot hit you, while you're still able to hit him, that is an exploit.

[Maku]

If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any strategy to win a fight which would otherwise require strategy and player competence, then it's an exploit, plain and simple. I honestly don't care if the devs at SE say it's not an exploit, because as it stands, FFXIV is turning into a pay-to-win game where exploits are a welcomed strategy.

Technically speaking the term strategy is a plan to accomplish something. The enrage strat is a strat because you do have to plan, in that you do have to either have an extra DPS or an extra healer. You also have to plan to wait for the tick down. So really you are using a strategy though I do admit it is a very easy and almost fool proof one, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a strat.

The doom mechanic doesn't actually cover the whole area either. If you pull the boss all the way to the back corner the opposite corner is not engulfed in red and you do not get doomed though you also are out of range to do anything to the mob.

I am sorry to ruin your high horse "I am better than y'all because I do stuff the hard way" but SE decides what are exploits and what are not, not you, not me and certainly not that guy over there.

[SeraviEdalborez]

It's player choice whether to use these exploits, but when you choose to use them you often force your team, especially new players, to conform to that exploit which in the end results in players who cannot beat the fight without that exploit.

Sucks to be those players then. Adaptability is part of the game.

[Fynlar]

Dodge an attack? EXPLOIT! Clearly they meant for you to be hit by it or else they would not have programmed its effects and damage values into the game!

[Lyrro]

Dodge an attack? EXPLOIT! Clearly they meant for you to be hit by it or else they would not have programmed its effects and damage values into the game!

Looks like someone's trying to up their number of posts, and I can understand that. The shinier medals above your avatar look so much nicer, but if you're going to post, at least post something worth being heard. Noone's saying being able to dodge is an exploit, in fact I pointed the opposite when I said that you were able to dodge the golem's aoe in AK's first boss fight and I wish more people in titan hm/ex knew how to dodge since I'm always a healer in those fights. Try not to make yourself look foolish while racking up that high post count.

Feel free to ruin my "high horse", but while you're knocking me off that horse try to take into account the fact that I'm one of the people on my server who teaches people how to beat titan hard and such rather than charge them 200k-1.5mil gil. I can't help but be amused by the number of people who call people like me elitists simply because we complain about people using exploitations to skip game mechanics for a, as you've admitted, "very easy and almost fool proof" win but I'll be laughing when I see those people in a game that actually requires people to be able to think and I take solace in that. I have to admit, you're right in your definition of strategy. I tend to let myself get a little too biased in what I consider to be a strategy and forget that even the simplest of plans is still a strategy. The word exploit as well since, when used as a noun, is defined as a striking or noble feet, so the better way to word what I was trying to say earlier would be...

If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any skill on the player's part to win a fight which would otherwise require skill and player competence, then it's an exploitation.

Not trying to sound like a prude, I'm just trying to find a way to word this which would be harder to someone to misinterpret or bend to meet their own argument since those are both common trends in forums, even though I know someone will always find a way. Don't bother trying to tell me that t2 enraged or the tree method in AK require skill because I've done both and I know from experience that they do not require any skill. I will admit though that the Teratotaur one does require a very mild level of skill and competence since it does require the tank and melee dps at least to know how to get rid of the doom debuff and they still have to kill the bees. Once again, just for the fact that it's all the proof I really need for this argument, the fact that SE nerfed the Twintania enraged method is proof enough that the enraged method is an exploitation. The fact that they did not nerf it for t2 does not change the fact that they admitted it was an exploitation when used for Twintania. To say a strategy is fair in one duty but an exploitation in another is self contradicting and counterproductive. The fact that I point this out does not make me an elitist, it just makes me a realist.

[givemeraptors]

Teratotaur's doom attack was meant to hit every player in the room, hence the entire room getting hit rather than just an aoe zone. When you climb atop the wall in Teratotaur's room so he cannot hit you, while you're still able to hit him, that is an exploit.

This is not true. It is an AoE zone, it's just very large. As people stated, if you pull him all the way to the back of the room you can CLEARLY see where his range ends. It's not even a tiny sliver, there's a nice chunk your teammates can stand comfortably in if they so choose. Obviously the downside is the DPS and healer move out of range as well.

[Viridiana]

This is the same format for reasoning people use to say T2 enraged, twintania enraged, and every other exploit is a legitimate strategy.

I wasn't aware that people were intentionally enraging Twintania and then winning. How does that one work?

[Lyrro]

I wasn't aware that people were intentionally enraging Twintania and then winning. How does that one work?

It doesn't work anymore. When SE found out people were doing it they called it an exploit and did away with it.

[Fynlar]

Noone's saying being able to dodge is an exploit, in fact I pointed the opposite when I said that you were able to dodge the golem's aoe in AK's first boss fight and I wish more people in titan hm/ex knew how to dodge since I'm always a healer in those fights.

Fine.

Dodging an attack that this guy says you shouldn't be able to, despite the fact he has no better idea than the rest of us what's "intended" to be dodgeable and what isn't? EXPLOIT!

If the "strategy" used to win a fight does not require any skill on the player's part to win a fight which would otherwise require skill and player competence, then it's an exploitation.

You heard it here, guys. Hiding behind a pillar = skill