Considerations for chaging some ARC moves between SMN/SCH?

[Gamemako]

Perhaps we could get some slight alterations for the ACN moveset with job crystals equipped

They just aren't needed. ACN was designed to fill both roles. The other classes were not.

SCH: Bane -> Boon

This would remove nearly all AoE capabilities from SCH, gimping it compared to WHM in most 4-player content. Boon would be pretty overpowered in certain 8-player content -- completely nullifies things like Twintania's fireballs by spreading 2500-damage adlo shield to everyone.

SCH: Energy Drain -> Replenish

So... remove MP regen why? Remove damage why? Add an insanely-powerful heal (38%!?) why?

SMN: Energy Drain +

Already exists. It's called Energy Siphon, is a trait acquired at 36, and doubles the amount of MP recovered by ED.

[SulwynCaliope]

Both Boon and Replenish sound like incredibly OP skills. For replenish, I don't think really think SCHs need a DoT like healing skill. WHMs have one already. Plus your version of it refreshes both HP and MP. People already complain that SCHs have little to no MP problems when compared to WHMs. This would only serve to further unbalance the two classes.

As for Boon, Adlo's shield when critted is EXTREMELY powerful. To have the ability to make it AoE would literally just be overkill at this point. No one would EVER bring a WHM to twintania if this change were to happen. Why? You know a fireball is coming because she places a marker over her targets head. Have your SCHs spam adlos on the target till someone crits then hit your version of "boon" and suddenly the whole group has a 2k+ shield on. It would only trivialize twin's mechanics and the virus nerf that was implemented by SE was meant to stop us from abusing virus to do just that.

[Zarzak]

They just aren't needed. ACN was designed to fill both roles. The other classes were not.

This will not be the case once other classes split into 2 (such as the example he gave)


OP.... The abilities you describe not only are pretty OP are also replacing abilities Scholars use. The Bane sure they don't NEED that they are a healer 1st and dps 2nd.. but the Boon is OP.

Energy drain you are taking away a ton of mana.


Also... why would a sword and shield class turn into a 2h dps class? Makes much more sense for mrd to become dark knight

[Seifu]

This will not be the case once other classes split into 2 (such as the example he gave)


OP.... The abilities you describe not only are pretty OP are also replacing abilities Scholars use. The Bane sure they don't NEED that they are a healer 1st and dps 2nd.. but the Boon is OP.

Energy drain you are taking away a ton of mana.


Also... why would a sword and shield class turn into a 2h dps class? Makes much more sense for mrd to become dark knight

DRK traditionally used swords, and with BLM/WHM having both 2H and 1H wepaons, i don't see why GLA can't as well.

[EdwinLi]

DRK traditionally used swords, and with BLM/WHM having both 2H and 1H wepaons, i don't see why GLA can't as well.

Well the main reason why CNJ and THM can use a onehanded and twohanded weapon is because they have skills that are not dependent on their weapons of choice.

All skills used by CNJ/THM can be used by one-handed and two-handed weapon since lvl 1 and both one-handed and two-handed weapon can be used by both their class and jobs.

However, GLA basic skills depend on their sword and shield since lvl 1 where as THM and CNJ skills can be used by both their one-handed and two-handed weapons since lvl 1.

They will need to rework GLA shield skills to be something new if they were to add Two-handed sword to GLA so GLA shield skills before level 30 can work for the lvl 1 -30 two-handed swords which is why they have plans for Two-handed sword to be a new class rather than a add on to GLA.

When they mentioned future jobs will affect base classes more to suit their role they were referring to their class skills rather than adding new weapons and stuff. When GLA obtain its 2nd Job (whatever it might be) it will certainly keep the sword and shield aspect but skills will be adjusted to suit its new role as a DPS.

[Mardel]

DRK traditionally used swords, and with BLM/WHM having both 2H and 1H wepaons, i don't see why GLA can't as well.

It's because of SE's pretty stupid rule. "Each class has the same amount of abilities." IF GLA had both Greatsword and shield. They would need more abilities to compensate for lack of a shield when using a 2h and I'm sure they wouldn't want to do this.

Healers already have near 0 enmity issues as long as the tank knows what they're doing and the healer didn't derp and Medica II at the start of the fight, and that would give them more HP than the tank...

As for DRG...in what universe does DRG need more TP regeneration unless they're spamming AoE?

Back on topic...I agree any of those adjustments to ACN abilities would simply be OP.

@ DRG comment: In very long fights where the rest of the DPS are potatoes.