Constructive opinion on Paladin and Warrior

[Kitru]

I'd have to strongly disagree with this considering in my group's last TT kill I had to call for Virus twice?

And what does that have to do with WAR v. PLD? Properly played, a WAR has the equivalent of Rampart up for every single burst attack. PLD can't get close to that. Saying that you did Twintania with a PLD and only had to use Virus twice means nothing because you're looking at PLD in a vacuum rather than comparing it to a WAR which is what I was talking about.

If you rotate your CDs properly on a PLD you really don't have very many cases where you don't have something up to mitigate DS.

And if you're using Inner Beast properly, you will *always* have the equivalent of Rampart up for every single DS. A PLD properly rotating CDs is still going to take more damage than a WAR using IB because the WAR will also have their own CDs to use.

Also keep in mind that burst damage prevention includes the plummet that comes before DS, which will not always allow IB up for the DS right after as the cast time could let IB drop off. PLD can mitigate BOTH of those attacks a lot better trivializing the in coming burst damage.

Inner Beast is not the sum total of the WAR burst damage mitigation capability. You've also got Infuriate available every minute to lengthen the IB window for another 6 seconds. As to the plummet, it's not burst damage if there is more than 6 seconds between because that's more than enough time for healers to top the tank off; basically, if it's not damage that fits within a single IB, it's not burst damage.

If a WAR uses IB and their CD suite, they'll trivialize regular burst damage much more effectively than a PLD can.

Most single tank TT groups use a PLD tank for a reason.

They bring a PLD for single tank Twintania because of Hallowed Ground. It has nothing to do with PLD being better at mitigating burst damage and everything to do with PLD being able to not take damage for 10 seconds when the RNG decides that it's time to screw over the tank.

Your entire argument for PLD being better at mitigating burst damage scenarios looks only at PLD. It completely ignores WAR, which means that your argument is entirely invalid. A properly played WAR is always going to be the better tank for regular burst damage fights because of Inner Beast. Even if a PLD has the comparatively stronger CD suite, WAR still has a CD suite on top of Inner Beast and Inner Beast is simply insanely good for predictable burst damage. PLD can do well in those scenarios (which is all you're saying), but WAR is simply better.

[Xenosys]

@Abigs

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Every post you reply with is filled with ignorance and shows exactly how much of a bad player you are. You dont even know the basic mechanics of Warrior buffs and debuffs. Go look at you tool tips and read them.

@Kitru
I agree completely.

[Kimura410]

This thread didnt take long to no longer be constructive. "He thinks his class is better, I will call him dumb and tell him he is wrong because I do not agree". Both tanks are pretty balanced, if not, the difference is negligible, pick one and practice it, master it, and youll be fine. You wont waste time leveling or gearing either one.

[Abigs]

@Abigs

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Every post you reply with is filled with ignorance and shows exactly how much of a bad player you are. You dont even know the basic mechanics of Warrior buffs and debuffs. Go look at you tool tips and read them.

@Kitru
I agree completely.

i have been comparing both classes as objectively and fairly as possible.. i have yet to see an objective reply from you to any of my arguments so if you're just here to post butthurt crap pls stop posting or stop addressing me because you are the one thats not contributing to this thread constructively

[Gangaloo]

@Kitru

Sorry to say it but the plummet damage DOES matter especially when healers are trying to keep you topped up (especially during twister phase when one healer gets locked).

Yes they do bring a PLD for hallowed but PLD still has better damage mitigation. Especially since block is so powerful (and you start to notice it around 580+ block rate). 20% IB for every DS is nice and everything but PLD can easily cycle between Rampart, Sentinel, and Bulwark. With an onion shield I've yet to not have bulwark block DS. You should look into tanking as a PLD with that shield. Despite popular opinion saying that it sucks, it's actually really good for preventing spike damage and smoothing out burst.

The 20% IB for DS becomes a redundant argument when a geared PLD with high block rate can mitigate the same, if not more in coming burst damage. On top of PLD CDs, they also have a high chance to block 20% extra damage with onion shield quite frequently. There's been quite a few times I've taken a grand total of 0 damage because of this from DS.

With my current CD rotation I only need to call for 2 viruses, which is the only saving grace I see for the Warrior vs PLD argument. Also, I'm not ignoring Warrior and only talking about PLD, there's just no reason to talk about Warriors abilities. They have IB and Vengeance to help prevent burst. Don't see the big deal when my PLD has a major CD up for every DS except for 2. For those 2 I can just stoneskin myself and ask for virus. I'll take about 2k-3k damage at most.

People don't one tank with PLD just because of hallowed. They one tank with it because it's a stronger mitigation tank. People also one tank Titan EX for this same reason, and you can't have hallowed up for both 6+ stacks.

[Gangaloo]

This thread didnt take long to no longer be constructive. "He thinks his class is better, I will call him dumb and tell him he is wrong because I do not agree". Both tanks are pretty balanced, if not, the difference is negligible, pick one and practice it, master it, and youll be fine. You wont waste time leveling or gearing either one.

In a way you are right. Both tanks are capable of MT'ing end game content comfortably. Unfortunately, just saying one edges out another will rile some people up regardless of whether or not it is true.

[Xenosys]

i have been comparing both classes as objectively and fairly as possible.. i have yet to see an objective reply from you to any of my arguments so if you're just here to post butthurt crap pls stop posting or stop addressing me because you are the one thats not contributing to this thread constructively

You have not been comparing both classes objectively and fairly because you do not have full knowledge of them. You are ignorant to most of Warrior abilities and some Paladin skills based on your posts. I did have a VERY constructive reply to the OP. You even quoted me lol, or do you not remember? Im calling you out because you are ignorant and posting false information which is extremely toxic to the community. Last thing we need is another bad tank(you). As I recall, others have called you out on your stupidity, not just me. Again... Learn to read your tool tips and replies before you post them. Im not replying to you anymore, you are way beyond reach of playing a tank correctly.

[Abigs]

you are ignorant and posting false information which is extremely toxic to the community. Last thing we need is another bad tank(you). As I recall, others have called you out on your stupidity, not just me. Again... Learn to read your tool tips and replies before you post them. Im not replying to you anymore, you are way beyond reach of playing a tank correctly.

butthurt much? really if you are to call anyone out then at least provide any specifics, you make claims and spew gibberish without basis. if you are NOT toxic as you claim to be then point out and specify these 'misinformation' and correct them.. but from your first reply to me until your last you haven't done anything than just hate and name call without really addressing any of my points in any of my posts.. the problem is people like you and your butthurt army will continue to destroy the spirit of these forums which is to provide objective information for people to debate about by being whiny and emo on anything they disagree with (even w/o basis) How the hell do you think warriors improved so much in post 2.1 without people pointing out facts/experiences etc. and arguing on it? if the forums we're full of people like you then warriors will continue to have been a garbage class

i played both warrior and paladin at end game and have geared them both (granted they do have the same gear outside mytho) so i definitely am entitled to say what i feel, know, experienced with tanking for both classes. what about you? you dont even know jack about your own class then you come here to to cry on people who wants to make both classes closer to each other? gtfo

this is a constructive thread, and you have 0 constructive posts so dont bother replying because i doubt any of your replies will have an ounce of substance other than butthurt QQ