Is anyone else bothered by the lack of incentive for mediocre players to improve?

[Kyana]

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There's no way this is healthy for the game in the long term.

While I can't agreee with your statements about loot being handed out to easy, because that was what SE intended and that's how the system is built, I agree with you regarding player "skill".


I have no problem if a player runs dungeons multiple times to get mythology gear, I don't have a problem if players join Coil runs and get gear nobody else needs.
But if someone is running around with a relic weapon, I expect that player to know how Titan HM works.
If someone is equipped with Coil gear, I expect them to know the Turn where this item drops.
And if it clearly says "experienced players, know how to dodge, farming party" in party finder, I expect the people who join to know what they do.


But let me give you a few examples of things which happened instead:

A "experienced" tank with relic, CT and some myth gear which kept spaming Rage of Halone at Ultima HM. No combo for the debuff, not once, and hate was an issue.

A healer on his 5th relic who kept dying from bombs at Titan HM.

Another healer with both Ultima healing accessories who kept dying from Eruptions at Ultima HM.

DDs with ilvl75+ who only deal half the damage of another ilvl70 DD of the same class.

DDs on their 2-5th relic who fail to evade bombs and plumes at Titan HM.

A tank who didn't provoke Ultima for tank swap and never used one of his cooldowns. But hey, he had some Coil gear.


That's just frustrating.
I try to do my job as good as I can no matter which class I play.
But no matter how much I struggle to win the fight with my team, the obvious lack of knowledge, determination or skill of some party members ruins the runs for the rest of the team.

And this makes party finder pretty much useless for the higher level stuff, because most players who think they are great because they have this or that, are not even half as good as they think.

But, hey, it's always funny to see someone searching people with average ilvl85 for Titan HM.
LOL!


EDIT:

http://www.learntocounter.com/i-play...n-video-games/

trust me OP u won't make this rant thread in the 1st place if u read that lol

Nice read ^^

[Akirakogami]

no i'm not.

[Moriganna]

10char...............

[Tinoris]

[QUOTE=Kyana;1862489]While I can't agreee with your statements about loot being handed out to easy, because that was what SE intended and that's how the system is built, I agree with you regarding player "skill"..... [QUOTE=Kyana;1862489]

Great points. I'm still learning a lot of things in the game. What drives me nuts is stuff like this; Ifrit HM farm the other day,2 of us DPSers were BRDs. The other bard had a pink weapon,and healer DL rings/neck (I assume to make his il high enough). He wasn't bad at dodging, but nails got us like 5x by just a bit. Wouldn't have happened if he was geared right.

Also, ran WP the other day, PLD (DL and AF w/AF+1 jewelry) announces that the MNK is his friend and it's his first time in WP. We all said cool and started. First, I have never seen anyone (PLD did it), ever, try to kill the soldiers that the wanderer kills. Because of this, the wanderer caught us in the 1st room and killed e/o but me, no one else hid. In the same room, the 1st one, the tank could not hold aggro, he wouldn't Provoke, RoH, CoS, nothin. Wash, rinse, repeat 'til the pugils at the 1st set of stairs after the 1st boss. 35 min in and only to that point, I quit. It was the MNKs first WP, and the tank was the worst I have ever seen, in gear that could handle WP.

All comes down to FATE leveled scrubs and carries...

[Sarlazzar]

A prime example.

I just attempted to kill Ultima on my tank.
An i88 tank said 'first time here, what do i have to do,' to which I responded 'Just taunt off me at 3 stacks and move out of things. Don't touch the glowing balls when they spawn,' and he said 'xD ok'
I start tanking, I get to 3 stacks, I said 'Okay take it.' He just keeps comboing, no attempt at taunting. Four stacks, I start spamming 'Taunt him' with sound effects. Nope. Five stacks, I Hallowed Ground and continue spamming. Nope. I die and then he moves into place, eats every ability, and dies.

This player should not have been able to obtain that much i90 gear, but it could, because you can get a full set just by logging in every week.

maybe you should have asked him to voke it, the skill is called provoke, maybe he didn't know what taunt is

[i2agnarok]

The other bard had a pink weapon,and healer DL rings/neck (I assume to make his il high enough). He wasn't bad at dodging, but nails got us like 5x by just a bit. Wouldn't have happened if he was geared right.

Also, ran WP the other day, PLD (DL and AF w/AF+1 jewelry) announces that the MNK is his friend and it's his first time in WP. We all said cool and started. First, I have never seen anyone (PLD did it), ever, try to kill the soldiers that the wanderer kills. Because of this, the wanderer caught us in the 1st room and killed e/o but me, no one else hid. In the same room, the 1st one, the tank could not hold aggro, he wouldn't Provoke, RoH, CoS, nothin. Wash, rinse, repeat 'til the pugils at the 1st set of stairs after the 1st boss. 35 min in and only to that point, I quit. It was the MNKs first WP, and the tank was the worst I have ever seen, in gear that could handle WP.

All comes down to FATE leveled scrubs and carries...

The Bard situation just comes to someone trying to cut corners. People are always going to try to cut corners, so I don't think that was a product of not being skilled enough as just being plain lazy.


As far as WP goes, I agree, that has to be nothing more than the product of someone not knowing how to play the class (or the game, from the sounds of it). Personally, I don't even understand HOW you don't understand that you're supposed to run from the Keeper, much less know the basics of the class when its all in the tooltips and class quests. But I also know from working Tech Support that people don't read a thing. -_- You'd think they'd at least take notes from seeing other people. Just out of curiosity, what WAS he doing if he wasn't even doing the basic combo? Lol.

While we're sharing stories, I was in AK the other day and this Archer joins. Gear's OK enough for AK, but AK is extremely easy imo, so I paid no mind to it. Didn't give a mention that they were new to the dungeon. Died near the end of both the first boss and the Demon Wall, so it is of course a carry, but the real issue came during the final boss.

Murdered by catastrophe so healer has to rezz, which isn't a deal, but he was getting AOE'd by the gargoyle adds, spawning orbs in the middle of the party and causing wipes repeatedly. So after we wipe the second time in a row due to the orb, we explain each mechanic of the boss in great detail. When he continued to wipe us, we even resorted to placing a marker above my head and just telling him to follow me (DRG). Still managed to die repeatedly due to orbs, even with all of that.

I don't understand what is possibly difficult to understand about "Hide behind pillar for catastrophe," "kill add / spawning enemy," and "run to the other side of the room if you have a purple line," while tank is also going through the trouble of saying instructions (with sound effects) as the mechanics happen.

[Tazo]

OP, I agree with you but you're not going to win here.

There are always going to be players who are mediocre at best and you just need to weed them out. I joined a good number of primal ex kill groups and 95% of them are a waste of time. The ones that ended up being gems consisted of people that I now have on my friends list and in a few LSs.

For those that agree with OP, just make an LS for these kind of players and draw from it when you need spots filled. /problemsolved

[Edellis]

Nope.

If I bench 1 ton and someone uses a crane to lift 1 ton that doesn't "degrade my sense of accomplishment" at all. In any way. Same concept applies here.

And besides, it's a video game with a 2.5 second GCD where you fight scripted AI bosses. You're already setting the bar extremely low if you're going to use this game to boost your self-esteem. Stop comparing yourself to others and just play the game, ffs. This stuff is embarrassing.

+1

A prime example.

I just attempted to kill Ultima on my tank.
An i88 tank said 'first time here, what do i have to do,' to which I responded 'Just taunt off me at 3 stacks and move out of things. Don't touch the glowing balls when they spawn,' and he said 'xD ok'
I start tanking, I get to 3 stacks, I said 'Okay take it.' He just keeps comboing, no attempt at taunting. Four stacks, I start spamming 'Taunt him' with sound effects. Nope. Five stacks, I Hallowed Ground and continue spamming. Nope. I die and then he moves into place, eats every ability, and dies.

This player should not have been able to obtain that much i90 gear, but it could, because you can get a full set just by logging in every week.

If you're here for self-esteem boosting, i'd at least think you'd enjoy your ability to carry less-skilled players than yourself. But if you're simply mad at someone for having decent gear but still being where you are...The Trophy is enjoying the victory and getting the loot. If you're crying like a child because you think someone else doesn't deserve the same armor you've got in a PvE videogame, you need to step off your rocking horse, look into a mirror, and start asking why you think that way.

If you want true bragging rights in a videogame, go buy Tekken/Street Fighter/Blazblue. Or maybe play a real sport? Otherwise, your false sense of accomplishment is kind of sad.

If he has the gear, he clearly earned it in the eyes of the game. The only real function it has is to make future encounters easier anyway. You're literally crying about nothing.

[TouchandFeel]

I agree that it would be nice if the highest tier of gear was only available by "earning it" through completing the highest tier of content, for example all the allagan gear being ilvl95. Not a huge difference, but enough to make those that want to be on the bleeding edge to be able to set themselves apart.

Asides from that, I think the tome gear buying system is fine.

[Yenn]

An an experiment, I've put almost 13 hours into trying to kill Garuda EX on my tank alt over the past two weeks. One almost kill and no success.
All of the groups were party finders and required i80+. The encounter is intended for i65.

How can anyone imply that this is okay?