As it's Valentione's Day, I ask do we even need in-game marriage; period!

[Gurpsmeister]

There's only two camps that I see here. The role players who want this cry loudly about it, well okay fine. You're a role player though, why do you need a system to make this so? Just role play it! For those that aren't role players, you get nothing from this. Once again, why does this system need to exist for you, it does nothing.

Short answer, this is a system the game just doesn't need for -ANYONE- at all.

[Naunet]

So, this is an interesting statement. Are you stating that certain markets do not matter as much as other markets? Is that not the same as the the cause that's being argued in the first place?

That is precisely what I'm saying. Though it's secondary to the concept of simply doing what is right when it comes to issues of equality.

[Tahldon]

That is precisely what I'm saying. Though it's secondary to the concept of simply doing what is right when it comes to issues of equality.

I'll wager that my opinion in post #50 was missed as to the "why" portion of this whole discussion. I tend to think that the company doesn't want to take a stance on what is "right" or what is "wrong". They just want to produce a product for consumers to buy so that they get out of the red and back into the black.

People are actually mustering a bigger rise out of things that the company isn't even saying. They are adding traditional elements because it's "safe" and their stocks don't plummet because they stepped into a world-wide political arena instead of focusing their efforts on the bottom line like the shareholders want them to do.

[Naunet]

I firmly believe that in this case "doing what is right" and "making money" align perfectly.

[Rex]

I know it's re-opening the debate ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ but maybe it's worth thinking whether whether marriage should be introduced at all.

If you know it's re-opening the debate...the very same debate that gets shut down by GMs most the time...why on earth do you think it's a good idea to post another thread about it?


Why do people continue to think it's "worth" even making yet another thread about it here? It's going to spiral into disaster, people will get suspended / banned from forums for being too passionate about their ideas, and then the thread will be closed and possibly deleted.

So really. You may think it's "worth" thinking about, but I say it's not "worth" stirring the pot around here. Just play the damn game. Chances are if you're marrying a female character, that's probably a guy on the other end anyway.

[Maero]

agreed, why introduce this?
Sure you may get yourself personal housing but how can introducing marriage effect the game?
This game is not Sims or something like that

[Mardel]

If a person really wants it that bad; why not marry the person irl or just RP it.

Otherwise leave this Bronco alone, it already suffered enough this year.

[Dhex]

Final Fantasy XI

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Wedding_Guide

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/20...pport_service!


They've had marriage systems in their games it before - will it be hetero-exclusive in FFXIV if they include it? Who knows~

[Yshnal]

There is no anti-gay lore in Eorzea. SE has even said their sole reason for not allowing same-sex marriage if its added is because they're afraid of upsetting all the IRL homophobes who get upset that gay people even exist.

It's their game, and nothing is set in stone. If in the end they decide that there wouldn't be same sex marriages, it's their call to set that in the lore and even change it later if they want. That's the whole point of it, it's their fictional world.

If SE started to enact segregation amongst players who have selected a darker skin tone for their characters that would be ok, because it's lore? Absolutely not.

I love how you have nitpicked what you felt like from my post to "prove" your point, disregarding whatever else I said after the quoted text that would have made your response... illogical. But whatever, I'll tell you what's wrong in that reasoning anyway. That example is bad as, like you said, it would actually enact segregation among those players that had selected that choice presented in the game (giving a stat bonus to all white males of a given race and just the white ones, for example, because it would go against the rules that all other races follow regarding stat allocation). However, not having homosexual marriages in Eorzea (a fictional world) would be akin to not having black elezen, if the writers had chosen to put that restriction in the world. And it wouldn't be racism at all, as it would simply be their choice for that fictional race. Now go tell me that because Santa is portrayed as being a white guy and having a wife then the Christmas are sexist, racist and against homosexuals, please.

To make it clear, and keep in mind that I'm NOT against the LGBT community. If they decide that same sex marriages exist in Eorzea, then so be it. And if they decide that they don't, so be it too. It doesn't really matter, it's a game based on a fictional world created by themselves, and complaining and making pressure against the devs serves no purpose and is a bit tiring (see Valentione's) for a majority of both heteros and homosexuals alike (those that see the game for what it is and don't look for strange things where there is none). The very moment that they start charging you more for your sub (for example) because you -not your character- are [insert sexual orientation, etnicity, or religious belief], I'll go up in arms with you. Until something like that happens, try to see things from a more logical and calmed point of view, please.

But anyway, I won't post anymore. It's always the same posts over and over and I've already stated my opinion and the reasons as of why it wouldn't matter at all (key words here), in both my posts. If people want to keep blowing things out of proportion and continue arguing over a non issue, they're free to do so. I hope that at least someone has understood what I was trying to say.

P.S.: If anything, I like the option of just implementing some rings that can be engraved with another character's name, and letting everything else for the players to RP. It would solve all this for everyone without directly compromising the lore nor SE (as with the chocolates in the event).

[ItzKris]

I firmly believe that in this case "doing what is right" and "making money" align perfectly.

"Doing what is right" really depends on what side of the topic your on. There is no right or wrong. Just difference of opinion.
Making money, however definitely points towards hetero weddings since other parts of the world are not as open minded as others.