Warrior Tanks: Maximizing DPS Output

[BushidoMP]

A couple of things I disagree with:

This is definitely not what I said. "Best-in-Slot" varies from encounter-to-encounter and boils down to what is more valuable in that fight: The boost to WAR HP vs The boost to WAR Damage.

Parry has very little to do with it.

Not word for word, but I thought in the general sense you felt that it's best to do more damage while still being a reliable tank; forgive my assumption.

Anyway, about the STR trade... the mathematical trade off is better with i70 accessories, but you're doing to do more damage with full i90 STR accesories, and you can still tank every encounter in the game currently. That was the point of my post.

If you wanna debate absolute optimal gear scenario per every encounter in the game I have no desire to argue with you, but I would stand by my claim that i90 dps accesories > i70 penta melds.

Edit:

A couple of things I disagree with:
Wearing Gryphonskin Accessories over i90 Accessories trades VIT for STR at a 5:9 ratio, plus you get a TON more secondary damage stats and slightly more Parry chance (some in the form of DEX) along with it.

By saying "Spec +30STR, wear Full i90 DPS accessories", you're essentially saying trading 30 VIT for 30 STR is worth it, but trading 25 VIT for 45 STR is not worth it. This makes no mathematical sense and is bad advice.

Also, I wanted to say that I think trading 30VIT for 30STR is worth it, if you have the gear for it, yes. Also, you're twisting my words here just to make your point. I'm not discrediting i70 pentamelds at all, they're still a good option. I'm merely advocating my method.

What is your point with this thread? Did you wanna facilitate a discussion about warrior damage, or did you just want to argue with everyone about why your method is superior? Because that's about all you've done so far.

Post YOUR stats on your warrior with your 30VIT and your i70 pentamelds, and we'll compare them to mine and see if you really get a TON more secondary damage stats.

[bokchoykn]

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My mistake. I read your TLDR at as i90 Tank accessories.


i90 DPS accessories will give you the most damage, but gives you no HP and much less mitigation

i90 Tank accessories will give you the most HP, but give you very, very little damage.

i70 Pentamelded accessories essentially give you ~75% of the damage, ~55% of the HP, and slightly more mitigation than any other option.

Basically:

i90 VIT: Survivability 10, Damage 1
i90 STR: Survivability 1, Damage 10
i70 Crafted: Survivability 7, Damage 7

I would against i90 DPS accessories. If my healers are really good, can I tank every encounter in the game wearing Monk Accessories? Probably. But using that logic, you could also argue that if your DPS is really good, you shouldn't have to wear DPS accessories.

The bottom line is: Which set will give you the highest chance at success and the lowest risk of failure? I highly doubt that i90 STR accessories and +30 STR is the answer to this question for all encounters.

[BushidoMP]

But using that logic, you could also argue that if your DPS is really good, you shouldn't have to wear DPS accessories.

What? Lol.

i70 Pentamelded accessories essentially give you ~75% of the damage, ~55% of the HP, and slightly more mitigation than any other option.

Basically:

i90 VIT: Survivability 10, Damage 1
i90 STR: Survivability 1, Damage 10
i70 Crafted: Survivability 7, Damage 7

Can you post your numbers like I asked? I'm curious about doing a comparison.

The bottom line is: Which set will give you the highest chance at success and the lowest risk of failure? I highly doubt that i90 STR accessories and +30 STR is the answer to this question for all encounters.

The title of this thread is literally "Maximizing DPS Output" -- that's what the purpose of my reply was, to explain how I maximize my DPS output. Explaining that I've been able to tank all encounters in the game in DPS gear was just some bonus info. If you want to discuss optimal gear sets for all encounters. Rate of Success vs Risk of Failure, that's an entirely different argument. At that rate, why not spec +30 VIT and i90 tanking accessories and call it a day. Discussion over.

Pick an argument.

Min/Maxing the optimal build for tanking survivability vs damage output is basically going to be defined by having a combination of a large amount of effective HP, high Parry Rate and Parry mitigation (%parried). In this case, as I stated previously, you're probably best off mixing up i90 tanking + i90 dps accessories where Parry, Determination, and STR take precedence. I don't say vitality because it's innately attached to the tanking accessories. We don't truly know if STR/Parry is tiered or matches up point for point, but if we go with the tier theory, it's probably best to build STR until you reach 25% mitigation from parries, and then stack parry to increase your parry rate. Crit isn't entirely irrelevant, but it holds the lowest weight.

Anyway, I digress. Please post your gear sets + stats so we can continue to discuss warrior DPS output.

[bokchoykn]

Can you post your numbers like I asked? I'm curious about doing a comparison.

I am at work. I cannot log in right now to show you my stats.

The title of this thread is literally "Maximizing DPS Output" -- that's what the purpose of my reply was, to explain how I maximize my DPS output.

This thread is more about making DPS a priority. Not necessarily making it the ultimate priority or putting DPS above all else. It was a poorly-chosen title. I'm bad at making titles, so I apologize for any confusion.

The point of the thread was that Warriors (and tanks in general) should do what they can to maximize their DPS output, while performing the other primary functions of the job. Not necessarily to blindly maximize DPS at all costs.

Warrior would obviously output more DPS with full STR gear and 30 STR attribute points, there is definitely no argument there.

The BiS set for each individual fight is definitely a good topic of debate. For example:

At that rate, why not spec +30 VIT and i90 tanking accessories and call it a day.

Because, depending on the fight, this might not be the best way to increase rate of success. For instance, I think damage is the main bottleneck in the Titan EX fight, not tank survivability. It is worth giving up 25 VIT for 45 STR (i90 VIT to Gryphonskin), but probably not worth giving up 75 VIT for 65 STR (i90 VIT to i90 STR).