Mantra and Bard

[Tinks]

Here's my opinion... is Mantra crucial? No. Is mantra helpful? Absolutely. Now here is my question to you... Why wouldn't you want to give you and your group every advantage you can? The mentality of "you should be able to get by without it so don't bother" boggles my mind. All I see when I read that is laziness and apathy.

When you're in a static doing endgame raiding, everyone should bring everything they can to the table to help the group succeed. If you're not, then why are you even there? If you don't care enough to maximize what you can bring to the group, why should you expect anyone else in the group to?

[PArcher]

Here's my opinion... is Mantra crucial? No. Is mantra helpful? Absolutely. Now here is my question to you... Why wouldn't you want to give you and your group every advantage you can? The mentality of "you should be able to get by without it so don't bother" boggles my mind. All I see when I read that is laziness and apathy.

When you're in a static doing endgame raiding, everyone should bring everything they can to the table to help the group succeed. If you're not, then why are you even there? If you don't care enough to maximize what you can bring to the group, why should you expect anyone else in the group to?

Tell me...as a WHM, if it takes 1 Medica to bring everyone to full health...does an extra 5% bonus help or not?

[Darkstatic107]

Our comp is 2 pld, 2 whm, drg, mnk, and blm. Everyone is around ilvl 80-85. My smn gear is the full vanya set except for pants as I have crimson breeches from CT. I also have darklight ring, waist, ear, and neck as well as relic wep.

[PArcher]

Our comp is 2 pld, 2 whm, drg, mnk, and blm. Everyone is around ilvl 80-85. My smn gear is the full vanya set except for pants as I have crimson breeches from CT. I also have darklight ring, waist, ear, and neck as well as relic wep.

OK, one last time, do you like SMN or BRD better? That's the decision you have to make.

Your group is going to be really light on magic damage if you go BRD, so you're going to have issues. Your WHM should be able to manage MP without a BRD at those ilv as well.

Gearing your SMN will mean you have enough DPS to pass without much issue, as long as your WHM don't derp on MP management.

And to be really honest...one of the WHM should go SCH; it will help out a lot IMO...

[Darkstatic107]

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I like my bard better. My only concern is this whole mantra issue which is why I posted this. I'm talking with the same guy atm and he's stating that if I decide to do bard then he needs mantra.

Normally I wouldn't mind, however I already leveled a monk up from 1-50 in two weeks with friends on a different server just a month ago. They quit, so I went back to my original server. Leveling has burnt me out and while I understand mantra can be useful, I don't think its that important that I absolutely need it.

Also, he doesnt have the gear for sch apparently. TBH he should get the gear as it would make things easier for us

[Defiledsickness]

no one said mantra wad bad but personally i dont have a lot of time to lvl every job. mantra is not needed to clear t4 and ive never had anyone ask me if i had it available. i would replace featherfoot with it if i could but atm lvling my whm and gearing my pld take priority.

if your group thinks you need mantra they are getting bad advice. invigorate is pretty important imo but not mantra.

[Tinks]

Tell me...as a WHM, if it takes 1 Medica to bring everyone to full health...does an extra 5% bonus help or not?

Tell me, how often would you be using mantra when a single Medica will bring everyone up to full health? If that's when you're blowing it, you're doing it wrong.

[Defiledsickness]

Tell me, how often would you be using mantra when a single Medica will bring everyone up to full health? If that's when you're blowing it, you're doing it wrong.

the main point here is that his healers need better gear and he does not need mantra for t4. but its up to him how he wants to get along with his static and fc

[alhandra]

if your healers are relying on anyone else in the group to help mitigate damage or boost their heals besides the tanks they are healing then they arent ready for healing t4.

healing t4 successfully relies on a few things, melee cc skills are not among them. the first key to success is positioning, the other is the tanks popping the proper cool downs during p5-6. a 5% healing boost is going to mean approx. sh*t when the tank is being wailed on by 2 dreadnaughts

[Ooshima]

Bard using Mantra? That's first time I've heard this lol..

Nope Bard doesn't need Mantra. Use that slot for another cross class skill instead.

I've never heard of any of my present and past FC raid teams that says their Bard needs to have and use Mantra too.