Why give WMs abilities that we're asked NOT to use so much?

[Sanguisio]

Lols.

Sounds like that SCH is mis-informed or he and the tank were on TS.
There is no way, you should be able to pull unless 1. DPS is bad, 2. People are undergeared so you are healing too much or 3. the tank has no idea how to keep threat.

FPE: I can use cure 3 and medica nearly every 6 seconds is I wanted lol.

On huge aoe damage throw on cure 3 when everyone is bundle, and top up if necessary with a medica. On timults you should be working with another healer and interlocked casts of AOE heals should not produce much threat, (out of curiosity how much does your SCHs succor do ?) You can cast medica twice during this and you will be fine.

[Taika]

its not about not using your abilities, its about using them correctly and knowing when and where they are best used.

Sounds like this was the issue. If you're using Medica IIs and Cure IIIs right from the start of fight you're very likely overhealing a lot and those spells really can draw a lot of enmity. In hardmode I never use Cure III and won't start using Medica II until during heart phase (so I can just nuke through it). In extreme I won't even start healing until first jump (and I rarely use Cure IIIs there either, usually Medica is enough with SCH healing as well).

[Versiroth]

Sounds like this was the issue. If you're using Medica IIs and Cure IIIs right from the start of fight you're very likely overhealing a lot and those spells really can draw a lot of enmity.

Again, I was using Medica II during stomps (once) and then Cure III during Geocrush (which I timed and was awesome as it healed everyone back up). But the tank lost threat and said "Too much Medica II....", indicating it was my fault he lost threat. The Scholar also told me to stop using Cure III because it also causes too much threat.

I never:

- Cast Regen/Medica II/Cure III at the beginning of any fight.
- Cast Regen/Medica II on trash when the fight appears to be almost over.
- Cast Cure II unless the tank has dropped to half health or less.

Which I'm fine with. Again, I don't think healing should come without consequences. The problem was, in a fight with two very big AOE damaging moves, I was asked to use only one of my AOE heals the whole fight. Which was very discouraging as I've never seen anyone ask a Scholar to gimp themselves and not use half their abilities.

Also, Once I drop 1K in MP, I use SoS on CD each time it's up.

[Delorean]

I'd understand if it were a newer player, but I just get the feeling you're talking about someone in ilv 90 gear lol

FoF and Unchained+Berserk not just hotbar decorations neither is provoke lol

[Fyce]

I never see anyone speaking about Shroud of Saints.
I just started running Lv.50 dungeons, and learning how and when to use Shroud of Saints effectively is, in my opinion, what makes the difference between 'okay' and 'good' WHM.
I really belive this skill is the key of a good enmity management.

[kukurumei]

It can be any combination of things, don't go complaining to the boards for a feel good rage thread.

[Sanguisio]

Shroud is a given lol, should be using that when your aggro approaches limit.
Nope imo that tank was doing to well, if you did only use that, obviously if you are spamming its your fault.

[Fyce]

Shroud is a given lol, should be using that when your aggro approaches limit.
Nope imo that tank was doing to well, if you did only use that, obviously if you are spamming its your fault.

Well, I've met some WHM who were absolutly not using SoS as an enmity management tool, but as a mana control one.
Really, I can't really blame them for thinking that, I mean, someone can easily throw this enmity reduction effect out the window while saying "the tank will/have to do his job, no need of that". It's like not going for Swifcast+Raise macro "because I won't spend 800 mana on someone who can't dodge".

That said, having a good timing on your SoS can make all the difference. Yes, this is obvious, but it's quite tricky to learn.
Maybe the OP was just doing a lot of "burst heals" while the tank was unprepared, so SoS would came handy here. But if it was poped 10 sec before that burst just for mana regen, well, too bad.

So, I'm talking about Shroud of Saints because healers who don't use it effectively are a thing.
As I said, it's not something that suddenly will make you solve all of your heal/enmity problems, but it can make the difference between a decent healer, and a good one.

[Alindra]

My guess would be it's not the tools that are causing too much aggro, its just you over healing. Only time I've ever had aggro issues as a WHM is when I cast regen right during a pull - same thing if you cast adlo during a pull as a SCH.

So...don't overheal, and don't cast during pulls.

[Estellios]

Your tank was probably bad.

Generally, I can start busting out the Medica II after I lose ~1k MP and use my first Shroud and never have to worry about hate. I always start off boss fights with Divine Seal + Regen when with my FC as our tanks are good at initial hate. It's not always the case with DF/PUG people though.

Regen/Medica II are definitely terrible to use at moments when you are expecting adds to pop, though, but that mostly comes with learning a fight. Using Garuda EX as an example, sometimes she will use a Friction right before she calls sisters and I had to learn both the general timing of when the sisters pop and work on my reaction time so I could cancel my Medica cast if needed.