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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irrational View Post
    I haven't actually done the Sylph quests so no comment there, but I completed the Amaljaa and my thoughts are:
    Loonh Gah's mother says something about offering Loonh to Ifrit when you come up behind her, but she's definitely just a husk at this point. It's also the Immortal Flames/Scions that execute the tempered, The Brotherhood of Ash and the Miqo'te of Forgotten Springs may have different rules or beliefs about it. I might be wrong because I didn't really read over it properly but were the Brotherhood of Ash trying to cure the tempered (like in the "Losing One's Tempered" quest)?
    And the leader of the Amaljaa was straight up lying, when Loonh turns around he immediately says "something something die" before he gets killed himself.
    The Brotherhood of Ash is most definitely looking for a cure that isn't summary execution for the tempered. Most likely because they want to free their brothers and sisters from the yoke of Ifrit would be my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empressia View Post
    As for ur answers OP:
    *Amaljaa:
    1.She's not executed due to the relationship of the U tribe and the Immortal Flames, its very possible that the U tribe members whom we freed for BoA daily recognized she's still alive although may beyond cure. To kill her will have a disastrous effect to politics. And i believe she might be an "experiment guinea pig" to cure primal tempering.
    2.At the BoA quest from recognized to friendly, imma sure u forgot the tempered IF guy who can bluff and lie about his loyalty to ifrit but acts normally like a normal peep. Not to add that the beastman tribes (Amaljaa, Slyph, Ixal, Kobold) were "tempered" differently from the 5 playable races. Theres a HUGE difference and effect from being tempered as a faithful servant who might sacrifice themselves to give powers to the primal extreme awakening and a slave
    Good points. Other than the Amalj'aa themselves I'd not seen any others who spared tempered beings but you're right it's likely not everyone handles them the way the Immortal Flames do.

    And yes you're right, I totally forgot about that tempered soldier who pretended to be with the Flames. That's what happens when you have to wait two weeks between quests I suppose... xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Irrational View Post
    I haven't actually done the Sylph quests so no comment there, but I completed the Amaljaa and my thoughts are:
    Loonh Gah's mother says something about offering Loonh to Ifrit when you come up behind her, but she's definitely just a husk at this point. It's also the Immortal Flames/Scions that execute the tempered, The Brotherhood of Ash and the Miqo'te of Forgotten Springs may have different rules or beliefs about it. I might be wrong because I didn't really read over it properly but were the Brotherhood of Ash trying to cure the tempered (like in the "Losing One's Tempered" quest)?
    And the leader of the Amaljaa was straight up lying, when Loonh turns around he immediately says "something something die" before he gets killed himself.
    Loonh Gah's mother actually said something along the lines of 'You can't have my little Loonh Gah' in reference to the rock she was cradling. If anything that shows a direct opposition to Ifrit's will despite being tempered. I'm actually wondering if she may be the key to a cure based on the fact that the broken mind seems to have more freedom than a tempered one despite being part of the same effect.

    Thanks for the replies guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    Loonh Gah's mother actually said something along the lines of 'You can't have my little Loonh Gah' in reference to the rock she was cradling. If anything that shows a direct opposition to Ifrit's will despite being tempered. I'm actually wondering if she may be the key to a cure based on the fact that the broken mind seems to have more freedom than a tempered one despite being part of the same effect.
    No, U'loonh's mother was very, VERY tempered at that point. The person she was talking to was the player (you just opened her cage) and while I don't have the game open to get the exact transcript, she DOES say that U'loonh was promised to Ifrit to be tempered. I would venture a guess that the reason her mother was moved back to the Forgotten Springs was partly not being in the hands of the Immortal Flames (who probably would have killed her) but also because she's so badly damaged by the tempering, she's harmless. No real reason to kill someone who can't hurt anyone, plus it gives the Brotherhood of Ash a convenient guinea-pig to test their anti-tempering magic on.

    As for the Flamefang leader saying he'd be Loonh Gah's slave instead, it was a fake-out. Tempering may rob a person of their free will, but it doesn't prevent someone from lying through their teeth in order to accomplish their real goals (as evidenced by the spy you uncover in Little Ala Mhigo; wouldn't be much of a spy if he openly admitted to worshiping Ifrit).
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    So the final reveal is that Loonh Gah was also tempered (as evidenced by her red eyes when she removes her mask). Why is she ok?
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    Finally finished those last quests, so I'll start chiming in. Some of this has already been stated, but for the sake of completeness I'll use my own words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    Loonh Gah's mother has been over-tempered to the point of insanity yet shows no signs of being a slave to Ifrit's will.
    You have to be pretty zealous to hand over your only child. She was definitely insane, but I think because the only thing she was aware of was Ifrit's will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    She is also returned to Forgotten Springs to be rehabilitated.
    As far as I can see, it's more hospice than rehabilitation. I don't think they see her as much of a threat. Usually the tempered are aware, crafty, and blend in whereas she's relatively harmless, as far as we know. If you make her a sort of asylum, a gilded cage, you can give her a certain level of respect and study the nature of tempering a bit closer. I'd be surprised if they didn't also consider it a prime opportunity to test some possible cures, seeing as she's lower risk to get close to than a zealous "god warrior." Basically, what Alberel said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    The leader of the tempered Amalj'aa begs for mercy when defeated and claims that he would serve Loonh Gah instead of Ifrit if she allowed him to live. How is it possible for him to do this if he is tempered? Is he even tempered? Or is this just a ruse?
    My money's on ruse; he did call her a gullible fool, after all. The tempered amalj'aa have lost their honor and hide behind Ifrit. He'd have said anything to survive and continue basking in the glory of his god and reaping the rewards of his tainted gifts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    We're told that he/she is blessed by Ramuh in some way and has great power and yet the Chosen One clearly isn't tempered.
    I may have skimmed past where they said the chosen one was blessed by Ramuh specifically (I'll read the quests again), but if they did, they could just be wrong. If there's a measurable cycle of "special" sylphs like this one, I'm sure they'd chalk it up to divine influence regardless of who their god is. When the Chosen One was born, it already knew how to speak and possessed some consciousness of sylvan rules and traditions. This implies a certain connectivity throughout the race. Whatever this is could be responsible for this "cycle" and their awareness of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    In regards to tempering, this basically contradicts everything
    I don't know if it's such a blatant contradiction. Every tempering we've witnessed was on prisoners. They were held still and Ifrit could marinate them in the daze haze for the right amount of time. If it was instant and unvarying, a primal could just walk around on blast and eating crystals from each settlement converted, no? As for the Amalj'aa, I'm not sure they know there's a cure or they're just holding the faith that there must be. Ifrit says that the soul has room but for the blessing of one - perhaps it can be removed and people have never figured out how. It's the same principle as we see in certain zombie universes - an ethical dilemma for each individual to consider - there might be a cure, so does the threat they pose make it justifiable to mow them down with extreme prejudice until we find it?

    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    I've heard theories that Titan doesn't temper his worshipers (and indeed, we've never seen him temper or attempt to temper anything) and if this is true then he's sustained purely from voluntary worship, some of Ifrit's worshipers may be the same way.
    I've heard this theory, as well, but statistically I don't find it very probable. Ramuh was summoned by a radical faction of sylphs that divided their very race to see him summoned, and he still tempered them as soon as he got there. In my humble opinion, we've seen far more evidence to assume they were tempered off screen than to assume that because we haven't seen it, it hasn't happened. It's possible, but I see nothing that make it more probable yet.

    Plus, there's always the matter of Titan tempering people in that unreleased 1.0 quest...

    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    In fact, I think the young Amalj'aa that want to join the Brotherhood of Ash aren't tempered
    Agreed. I think this is why the Brotherhood is so small - they're all that's left from ten years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by axemtitanium View Post
    So the final reveal is that Loonh Gah was also tempered (as evidenced by her red eyes when she removes her mask). Why is she ok?
    I think Loonh Gah just has the same eye and hair color as her mother and her mother's eyes weren't an effect of tempering. Lots of NPCs have red eyes.
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  6. #16
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    Really? You think so? I don't believe any of the Mi'qote of Forgotten Springs have red eyes and the pacing of the scene set up the unmasking as a dramatic reveal. It was also a rather striking red that felt unnatural to me (maybe it's just me). If it turns out that that's just her natural eye color, it seems like it would be a waste of the framing and tension of that scene. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    The leader of the tempered Amalj'aa begs for mercy when defeated and claims that he would serve Loonh Gah instead of Ifrit if she allowed him to live. How is it possible for him to do this if he is tempered? Is he even tempered? Or is this just a ruse?
    Definitely a ruse. The moment she turned her back, he cussed at her under his breath and was preparing another attack- which was quickly and conveniently halted by the "accidental" 100-yalm knife toss, which killed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axemtitanium View Post
    the scene set up the unmasking as a dramatic reveal.
    This assessment is entirely subjective, but I was under the impression that the reveal was, "Oh, wow, after all that attitude and tomboyism, she was hiding soft, attractive features under her mask." This is what I took her reaction to imply, because as you stop to admire what she really looks like, she flees angry and insecure as if, because she looks nothing like the Amalj'aa she lives with, they must find her hideous (hence why she donned the mask in the first place).

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    Also, what he said. <points down>
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    Last edited by Anonymoose; 02-06-2014 at 01:46 PM.
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    I think it was mentioned early in the storyline that Loon Gah was scarred in the attack that led to her mother's capture, and that she considered herself hideous. I took the reveal scene as her showing you her scar (a nick across her nose) and thinking that it made her look ugly.
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