Dark Knight

[Exstal]

FYI scythes were actually used in actual battle before. So it is not totally out of reason in a fantasy game a melee combatant to use one.

Scythe used in war I assume this what you meant.

Wait what?? Do you listen to yourself? Please explain your reasoning. We have a very large two handed sword and visually that is all people need to equate to a Solder from FF-VII.

I was under the impression that we're talking about Dark Knight. So, assuming this isn't completely wrong;

Dark Knight + Greatsword = Cloud + Greatsword
Dark Knight = Cloud + Greatsword - Greatsword
Dark Knight = Cloud

[Bloodclaw]

Scythe used in war I assume this what you meant.

Yep. Not a fantastical of a design but it did happen. The real life appearnce of the scythe is sort of why I always have a slight thought to the lancer being the DRK class, but hardly my first suspect.

I was under the impression that we're talking about Dark Knight. So, assuming this isn't completely wrong;

Dark Knight + Greatsword = Cloud + Greatsword
Dark Knight = Cloud + Greatsword - Greatsword
Dark Knight = Cloud

Well that is a leap in your logic. I was more assuming that they would bring in a Solder class to the DRK job, with DRK being only one of the jobs. Not sure what a proper Soldier "Job" would be in this game. My point was, fans of VII like large swords, and a great sword wielder would draw that crowd in more. However, the "Solder" from VII is something to itself. However on an off topic Cloud Strife is seen in concept art with a single bat wing.
http://static.zerochan.net/Cloud.Str...ll.1029071.jpg

[Giantbane]

Except the DRK is a dark knight and not a death knight. There is a difference. DRK is closer to a blood mage and scythe wouldn't match the mythos at all. The only reason why people want it to be a scythe is XI made DRK use a scythe. 2H sword would be cool. 1h sword would be cool too but not as cool. scythe would be stupid.

The FFXI scythes were cool. Some of the axes that MRD use while leveling up look like war scythes anyhow. So it's not a huge leap to allow MRD to use them. Maybe add some more exaggerated scythes that are DRK only.

[matic]

. It was latterly MY class in FFXI,

this is a first for me.

[Bloodclaw]

this is a first for me.

Vowel confusion via dyslexia leading to an accidental wrong word spell correct selection. XD

[Darkstride]

DRK could be a tank if it took some cues from the old Thaumaturge (which could off-tank with GLA skills). While wielding a 2-hand weapon, the dark magic aspect of DRK could be in the form of Absorb-stat spells and "spikes". For example, Absorb-STR would both increase personal damage output/hate generation, while also lowering enemy damage output. Absorb-DEF would do the opposite, increasing your own damage mitigation while increasing damage done to the boss. There could also be various defensive "Spike" spells as seen in FFXI and the earlier incarnation of FFXIV. Dark Spikes (or whatever) would cause a health Drain effect when stuck, Light Spikes would cause TP Drain when struck, Ice Spikes could cause Paralysis, etc. Even bring back Sanguine Rite, which restored MP proportional to damage taken for a short time; Or Emulate, which copied a mob's defenses; Also, what was once Contagion (on THM), transfer all of your negative effects to your target.

This is obviously all made-up nonsense, but DRK as a tank isn't an entirely bad idea.

Edit: Took some time to find it, but here's the old-school THM for those who are unfamiliar and would like a reference.

Pre-Black Mage THM (debuffs and self buffs): http://youtu.be/h1m0B_OTjsk?t=11m27s

[Bloodclaw]

I am not going to dispute that the DRK could be a tank, but here is a honest question, why would they? Really, why would they bother if we already have this:

It would be like making a 2nd paladin that didn't have spells but looked almost exactly the same and functioned differently. I understand the need for tanks, I really do, I have been leveling other classes and see the need but I don't see how this is the solution. So I just want to know why you think they would even bother? Because we, or you, need it? Do you fear that the DRK will suck like the other melee damage dealers? Please, why?

[Exstal]

Well that is a leap in your logic. I was more assuming that they would bring in a Solder class to the DRK job, with DRK being only one of the jobs. Not sure what a proper Solder "Job" would be in this game. My point was, fans of VII like large swords, and a great sword wielder would draw that crowd in more. However, the "Solder" from VII is something to itself. However on an off topic Cloud Strife is seen in concept art with a single bat wing.
http://static.zerochan.net/Cloud.Str...ll.1029071.jpg

It irks me that you put "Solder", when I imagine you mean Soldier.

Soldier is just basic infantry that uses longswords not unlike many knight swords in any older Final Fantasy game. The only different is the top tier classes of Soldier who differentiate themselves from the other Soldier members of the same class preferred to use their own weapons with Zack/Angeal/Cloud all sharing the exact same sword. Sephiroth using an absurdly long odachi and Genesis using a red rapier.





Off topic; Cloud from Kingdom Hearts



This leads to the idea that Soldier should just be its own special class rather than be relegated to Dark Knight's stepping stone (ha reminds me of arguments in this thread). The weapon of choice would not draw the FFVII crowd to a class that has very little, if not nothing, to do with the game. It's akin to saying Musketeer, with its pistol use, will draw the same FFVII crowd because of their like for Vincent Valentine.

I am not going to dispute that the DRK could be a tank, but here is a honest question, why would they? Really, why would they bother if we already have this:

It would be like making a 2nd paladin that didn't have spells but looked almost exactly the same and functioned differently. I understand the need for tanks, I really do, I have been leveling other classes and see the need but I don't see how this is the solution. So I just want to know why you think they would even bother? Because we, or you, need it? Do you fear that the DRK will suck like the other melee damage dealers? Please, why?

Dark Tank is a weak argument since it's only 2 sets of armour and Dark Knight won't show up until after an expansion anyway leading to the divergence of this Dark Tank title you've given Warrior.

For example; Warrior AF2 gives no indication to the word Dark Tank


The answer is actually really simple to why Dark Knight could be a tank; choices are limited. There really is no other valid explanation.

[Bloodclaw]

It irks me that you put "Solder", when I imagine you mean Soldier.

Its called an honest type/mistake? You get irritated easily don't you.

I'll deal with the rest later, maybe, when I have more time.

P.S. When this is finally answered, and I hope it is soon, I promise I wont say "it."

[Bloodclaw]

Awww man. This sucks. I can't believe DRK was voted last out of these 4.