Patch 2.2, Accessibility, Difficulty Levels, and Throwing Away Content

[Deviant1]

Am I the only one who reads this thread as:
"WAHHH!!! The casuals are going to farm twintania, while I fight the turn 9 boss.. Wahhhh! They will have all the gear I was using before my 110 stuff <sob> There will be no way to tell the casual from my 5th job with i95wep/i90 gear!!!

Seriously children, time to grow up. No item or fight should ever be considered hardcore exclusive.

Hardcore get the first wins on world/server, the casuals get it later, this is the natural order of things.

Amazing, but not surprised to see after all the 'remove the weekly lock out' threads, that it didn't dawn to someone that without the lockouts, all the casuals could actually catch up... lmao, and then to act like SE is doing something wrong so that all the paying customers of the product can enjoy what they are paying for is arrogance given form...

Anyways I look forward to finish the gearing up of my 5th job while someone else finishes their 1st/2nd. I just hope I have better lots

[Xerich]

Help the scrubs

Can we please leave this word in WoW, or possibly in 1998 where it belongs.

[Darki]

Greetings everyone,

To clarify specifically about dungeon difficulty, as the game progresses, we're planning to offer players the Echo buff to make themselves stronger in order to challenge older content, not necessarily just lowering the difficulty of the dungeon or encounter itself. Also, those who wish to complete the dungeon without assistance may remove the Echo buff.

While there are no plans to give bonuses to those who cleared content before the addition of the Echo buff, we did submit the feedback that some of you had for more horizontal progression on rewards.

When you say "Dungeons," does that also mean trails? Like the primal fights?

[Duelle]

Personally I like vertical progression it gives me something to work for. Horizontal progression and side grades or gear thats weaker then current tier like Crystal Tower was kind of useless for me because my Paladin had all 90 gear when it came out meaning I had nothing to gain from doing it.

Let Yoshi know there are us players who like vertical progression and enjoy working toward getting newer stronger gear.

This. Not to mention that horizontal progression doesn't really work in a game like this unless you're willing to add gear with similar stats of the same ilvl but different textures (which, given Glamours wouldn't be a bad idea but I know some dummy-heads out there are under the delusion of getting gear with +healing potency and +refresh and +haste, which belong in poorly-balanced games like FFXI).

Am I the only one who reads this thread as:
"WAHHH!!! The casuals are going to farm twintania, while I fight the turn 9 boss.. Wahhhh! They will have all the gear I was using before my 110 stuff <sob> There will be no way to tell the casual from my 5th job with i95wep/i90 gear!!!

Seriously children, time to grow up. No item or fight should ever be considered hardcore exclusive.

Hardcore get the first wins on world/server, the casuals get it later, this is the natural order of things.

Amazing, but not surprised to see after all the 'remove the weekly lock out' threads, that it didn't dawn to someone that without the lockouts, all the casuals could actually catch up... lmao, and then to act like SE is doing something wrong so that all the paying customers of the product can enjoy what they are paying for is arrogance given form...

Anyways I look forward to finish the gearing up of my 5th job while someone else finishes their 1st/2nd. I just hope I have better lots

Quoted for super-ultra-omega truth.

[Daniolaut]

Thank you Hvinire, I'm very glad to hear the Echo buff will be optional.

Related, may you please look over this thread & politely ask them to reconsider having no current plans to award pre-Echo/Unlock contenders?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...se#post1820725

I'm not one to reward elitists or 'hardcores over casuals', but you have to consider... the many, many hours and weeks spent over farming for pieces pre-Echo/Unlock, only to have everything homogenize post-2.2, it can be disheartening for many.

As a fair & equitable compromise, the "rewards" are very miniscule, especially the 'slightly different color palette' one.

Additionally, I know MMO's haven't ever historically done this in the past ("your reward is you get to do the next tier-content sooner than the rest!" or "you already have the gear, why do you care that others now have easy-access to it, get over it!")... I just don't think it 'has' to be done like that still.

Honestly, a slightly different coloration to the same armor items for pre-Echo/Unlock isn't much to ask to 'honor' the legacy of players that spent countless hours grinding away for those pieces while it was still tough & lockout still existed.

So what youre asking for is people like me get "looked at differently" even though i ~have~ cleared the content but have horrible luck?

My group is capable of 1 shoting 1-4 consistently.

I have cleared turn 1 for 16? 17?+ weeks. Yet I have yet to see a allagan tank body drop. (My main job is tank.) So now i should get a different color that indicates i'm not as "quick" as others? This makes no sense.

If you dont want to play with the echo thats great but trying to say your better or should be rewarded differently because you started the game sooner and/or skipped the story to clear things faster is kind of selfish you dont think?

This is not an attack, this is opening your eyes to other people, their luck, and their "position." So dont take it personally.

[CYoung187]

I play on a more casual basis and no I don't want to be pushed to the top. These changes punish those who take their time with the game. Some people like challenges and don't want the content they are currently on to be handed to them. Everyone says these changes are for the casual players, making previous content uselsss (which ex primals/ct will be) just makes the game boring. Nothing wrong with a long gear progression, that just gives players more to do. I don't think I have ever heard a casual player complain that the guy who plays a lot more then them has better gear. That is a false assumption.

[NekoHina]

What or how another player achieves an accomplishment, has NOTHING to do with your own personal achievement of the same accomplishment. There is no need for different colors of armor or markers for honoring the legacy of those who did it first. Everyone's achievement is a personal thing and takes nothing away from anyone else's.

If you are so concerned about how other players' use of the echo or buff or any of this will affect your own accomplishments, then you are basing your own worth on how others perceive you. Have pride in yourself. You know how you completed the trial. That is yours and yours alone.

Only small people feel the need to belittle other people in order to make themselves look better.

[Jilse]

So instead of bronze make the Echo gear silver (in looks)?

I can see this causing kick abuse. He is wearing silver gear, he cannot join OUR run.

Also, then people who already have the gear would be upset that they like the new color scheme better and should be able to get it without having to farm it again.

[ApolloGenX]

Sometimes I wonder if the people posting things like "have to keep the casuals and hardcore players divided"... and "could you designate the easy mode gear by making it a different color" ever get embarrassed reading what they have typed.

I wonder if they are embarrassed because they are so desperate to stand out in a video game... and yet- unless they are in a world first FC- they don't stand out. No one cares. Not many care about the world first FCs... but for the people that DO care about that stuff, unless you are a world first FC- you'r just second rate, anyway.

Stop trying to so hard to be something you aren't. Stop trying to stigmatize others so that your mediocrity is less obvious. Enjoy the game for what it is- entertainment.

[Jynx]

Sometimes I wonder if the people posting things like "have to keep the casuals and hardcore players divided"... and "could you designate the easy mode gear by making it a different color" ever get embarrassed reading what they have typed.

I was on board with you until I read the rest of your post. I suggest you might look over your own post and see where you might be trying to make a fool of yourself.

Hey look I can paint with broad strokes too!