Making Coil T1-5 easier sure, removing weekly lockout, lol wut?

[Rivienne]

They are adding a new tomestone and gear. And new turns. So they have shifted forward. Currently there is no lockout on philo tomes, only myth. Once new content happens, most likely the myth will end up where philo is now for example.

So yes, if they completely remove myth cap, then it will become possible to get i90 in a day, with or without coil. If they don't remove myth cap, I also don't see them having no loot lockout on coil. Same concept. Myth cap will be done away with the same time that loot lockout is done away with.

I am assuming a weekly loot drop like CT, and a higher cap on Myth. But if they do remove myth cap and loot lockout, then myth will now be exactly the same as philo, and the new tomes will have a lockout. So nothing will have changed. Except everyone will be grinding for the new tomes and grinding coil 6+ to get top end gear.

The only reason people are upset about no lockout is because they think it invalidates their progress, because other people can now get it.. Which. *shrug*. A game is a game, if your only enjoyment is being able to say you have better gear then everyone, and that not everyone can get it. Well. Now you have turn 6-7 to fill that need. Though it is kind of a disturbing "I have no value unless everyone else is beneath me" kind of mentality, and strikes me that maybe you need to work on your self-esteem problems first.

For those worried about content longevity, honestly I think you are forgetting that they are also going to be adding to CT in the long run. There will always be reason to run both coil and ct, for some people.

[MasamuneBranford]

How is that any different from what we have now? People can gear up in DL "in a day" and tip up to 1-5 ready to gear up in Allagan.

Before you had 6 months to level from 1 to 50, complete main story, job quests, grand company, get DL, defeat the hard primals....then you unlocked coil 1-5. Now it's just earn il90 gear and you're good to go for coil 6-9. Obviously it's unfair to compare an update to an official release (eventually everyone will catch-up to the updates). But isn't that the point? The point being that everyone will catch-up to the updates? Do we really need this huge nerf 6 months into the game? It's way too early. That is my entire point.

To answer your question - I've only done turns 1-4. Haven't beaten turn 5 yet but I will. I don't want any catch-up. I'm not worried at all about being at turn 9 within 6 months.

[Nekodar]

I could care less about sense of achievement. What bothers me about this change is it makes 2.1 content obsolete. FFXIV will never be a game rich with lots of content if every patch makes the previous one useless. Nobody will be going CT or primals once 2.2 comes out. It will be either do Coil or nothing. While I am excited for new raids, I fear I will be bored really quick. Then 2.3 will come out and make 2.2 useless. I want them to add content, not replace exsisting content.

2.1 content will be obsolete for whom? T1-T5 farmers? Isn't it already obsolete for them?
New 50's still need to gear up using existing content before they can take on the new.

[CYoung187]

2.1 content will be obsolete for whom? T1-T5 farmers? Isn't it already obsolete for them?
New 50's still need to gear up using existing content before they can take on the new.

No, CT/primals are still done because of the coil lockout. If there is no lockout why would you do those for lesser gear. It would be like doing AK just for the gear. Nobody does that because i70 is easily obtainable. If i90 is unrestricted, then why do content that gives anything less then that. For those with 1 high level job, gear alts up to high level raid ready will be a joke.

[Lithera]

So many assumptions here. How about we wait until the next LIVE Letter at least before bringing out the pitchforks? Yoshis statement was a simple answer to a question with no elaboration. All he confirmed was no lockout for RUNNING the dungeon. I don't think it will be a 1 loot a week lockout since that would theoretically be more restrictive than current Coil (you can get 8 allagan a week if you get lucky right now), but there will probably still be a gate.

The nerf, if it isn't Echo, probably won't be too heavy either based on previous dungeon/Primal adjustments and you still won't clear Twin if you don't have the skill/coordination. Those group who are coming within like 5% of a kill will probably be clearing it but the rest will continue to face smash her for a little while like many are doing now with EX Primals.

[neoreturn]

Remove lock is a very bad move. Just like what they did for house price.
Immature idea

[ApolloGenX]

Hard core players will have t6-9 gear... so this doesn't bother them.

Wannabes that pretend to be hardcore and who won't be able to clear 6-9 are upset, because they will look like everyone else.

If this bothers you, then it's probably because you are focused on current gear and not future cutting edge content- you're not really hard core or high end oriented.

[Nekodar]

No, CT/primals are still done because of the coil lockout. If there is no lockout why would you do those for lesser gear. It would be like doing AK just for the gear. Nobody does that because i70 is easily obtainable. If i90 is unrestricted, then why do content that gives anything less then that. For those with 1 high level job, gear alts up to high level raid ready will be a joke.

You are complaining under the assumption that there will be no gear lockout for T1-T5 when they remove the entrance lockout. Do you really think they will completely unlock it for farming when they put gear lockout on CT that provides lesser gear than can be gotten already?
For people with 1+ high level job, gearing up more jobs is already a joke, so nothing changes for them.
And nothing will change for people that are new to 50 because they can't enter coil until they get a Titan HM clear which they normally need to gear up for to begin with, then gear up more to take on coil to begin with.

[Langureion]

So, ppl were complaining lockouts, and now they don't want it be to removed?
/popcorn

[Leira_Raine]

To be honest, I would rather them leave the difficulty and remove the lock out. I would love to help friends with coil after running with a static. One issue with coil is that is segregates the community because people don't want to waste their week to help others. If the people that are able to beat Twintania were able to help other after downing it it would be way more beneficial to the community rather than handing bad players all the gear for not trying when it was the hot new raid.

AGREED. THIS ^