Looting system - can we see lots before drop?

[Kazamoto]

As i said and as ive been part of today, they can abuse it afterwards especially in content dropping multiple stuff like CT or coil ( as a whole if you plan to do all turns in 1 go )
Loot drops > ppl rolling > loot roll displayed > someone isnt pleased with who rolled what and wait until drops are distributed> loot is distributed > Vote kick.

In this case there are 2 options.

1.) You got the loot, and you don't really need to be in their party anymore anyway, so who cares if they kick you.

2.) They get the loot, and are mad you tried, in which case they are shitty people and you shouldn't want to play with them anyway, so who cares if they kick you.

[Alipoprocks]

As i said and as ive been part of today, they can abuse it afterwards especially in content dropping multiple stuff like CT or coil . . .

I don't get your point because you can already be kicked. How would seeing rolls change anything. If you already can be kicked after loot drops, what difference does it make to you if we could see the rolls before loot drops? It sounds like your complaint is about getting kicked, not the loot system.

And if you can't be kicked while loot has not dropped yet, how would being able to see lots going to hurt anything? Why keep that hidden? Why not just let us see straight up what people are doing? To me, there is a bit more accountability that way. It would also discourage people from lotting on something they agreed they wouldn't if everyone is going to see.

And my original post was more about coil and primals, not so much CT. There are tons more annoying things about CT and that's a whole nother thread.

[Alipoprocks]

Then find another group? Not seeing how that is abuse. If someone doesn't want you in the party after the loot has dropped sucks. Not like you are losing anything but maybe time if you cant go into the next turn in CoB.

I wish they did show what others rolled. I went to Garuda EX and it was a greed party, Aiming dropped and the BRD rolled need on it and he said he was there for healing sucked cause if we could see cast maybe they could have got him to leave the party.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Thank you.

[Eclipse]

Please implement passing after lotting.

[ReplicaX]

The only thing I will add to this topic from XI is a different suggestion.

The option to pass something you already rolled on if it hasn't dropped. Poor communication and true accidental lotting does happen sometimes and not all loot drops at the end of an instance where it auto passes your lot if you leave.

[CUTS3R]

don't get your point because you can already be kicked. How would seeing rolls change anything.

Well i dunno, i guess more people would tend to use the kick feature then? im just assuming.

PS: I want to say that you guys have valid points and i personally wouldn't mind at all having rolls displayed beforehand. Im not against it as i may sound i am.
But afaik about how the community is, i cant ignore the griefing aspect this feature would bring to some people. >_<

[Arkista]

The only thing I will add to this topic from XI is a different suggestion.

The option to pass something you already rolled on if it hasn't dropped. Poor communication and true accidental lotting does happen sometimes and not all loot drops at the end of an instance where it auto passes your lot if you leave.

Yes. In my old CoB Static the BRD got a little greedy and casted lots on his Wrist (need) and Allagan Shield (greed) let just say he lost both of them. People have a bad habit of casting lots on gear even if someone there needs it.

Well i dunno, i guess more people would tend to use the kick feature then? im just assuming.

PS: I want to say that you guys have valid points and i personally wouldn't mind at all having rolls displayed beforehand. Im not against it as i may sound i am.
But afaik about how the community is, i cant ignore the griefing aspect this feature would bring to some people. >_<

No one can Vote Kick anyone while Treasure in the pool. So the only "Griefing" would be because someone is butt hurt. But there is good in seeing lots, If I could see lots I would now if someone out lotted me and if I should stay or go. As others have said they could see who is casting what and if a person who isn't suppose to cast could be asked to leave the zone (not like most would). Even if we can see who casted what, there is nothing anyone could to enforce a player to leave. Worst case someone gets butt hurt and you get kicked from the party after seeing the lot wont change the outcome of the rolls you either win or lose the gear.

[Camate]

Greetings,

One of the first things we are looking into doing is adding a system so information is displayed in the chat log regarding who lotted on an item.

We've received a lot of requests to make it possible to pass after you've already lotted on an item, but due to the current system as well as prospects for the future we do not have any plans to implement this at the moment.

Also, while this isn't limited to only the topic at hand, it's extremely difficult to prevent human error by creating perfect rules within the game system as it becomes something that forces players to go through a cumbersome process. (Such as going through multiple confirmation windows.)

Naturally we will continue to make changes to the system for improvements, but ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and who is able to lot on which item. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

[Estellios]

I think it would be beneficial to maybe add another confirmation window to the loot window when its an event like CT, where an accidental lot will screw you for the week. A window asking if we are sure we want to roll Need/Greed/Pass might be helpful.

[Billzey]

You could pass after you lotted in FFXI. It was helpful if someone accidentally clicked the wrong button. That the dev team won't implement passing after lotting in this game is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if you have an 'agreement' beforehand. People make mistakes, and this is a very easy fix.