Melee roles are being gimped in this game

[Lecreuset]

I have a bard and dragoon, I've used them both in extreme modes and in coil. I don't find dragoon any more difficult to play. Annoying sometimes if boss is moving around but more difficult? lol hardly

One doesn't have a faster run speed than the other, so I don't find it any easier or harder to dodge aoe with either which is what the game is about mostly.

[Akirakogami]

Melee generally have the highest damage here. it more than makes up for the damage they lose traveling to the target.

It is very easy to notice the shocking difference in damage between bard and melee. Mages can clock up alot of damage but i guess they sorta have their draw backs too.

[Denmark]

It's not really about melee being stronger or weaker than ranged it's about effort and risk Vs. reward. DRG and MNK are not to hard to play and yes you can use them in every fight in the game. The problem is the more you bring the sharper the difficulty can rise thanks to mechanics, side combos when eruptions is about to fire on ifrit X is death no if an or buts you will die and take up mp and lose a huge amount of DPS. The other hand not doing flank combos is also a DPS lose and puts you at a huge disadvantage Leaving you to make tough choices on the fly of when and when not to perform certain moves. Now compare this to BRD that can not only hide in the back full time, but can also continue to deal damage while moving.

[EasymodeX]

Ifrit eruptions are a bad example because they are trivial for melee and impact range DPS just about the same.

[Cligue]

I don't know. I'm currently on Turn 4 in Coil and i wouldn't say that i feel gimped because i'm bad, or don't know how to avoid zones, but simply because you have to work harder while having less damage output as a melee.

While there are bad ones who don't know their class very well or have a hard time dodging mechanics, the better ones shouldn't be put into a disadvantage to ranged classes.

The fact that we did t4 with 4 melee dps and it was the fastest we ever cleared it (did it for fun) makes me think your lower dps comment is completely wrong.

[Lecreuset]

The fact that we did t4 with 4 melee dps and it was the fastest we ever cleared it (did it for fun) makes me think your lower dps comment is completely wrong.

completely agree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tTWd20MYI 4 melee on turn 4. There's plenty of people that have done it.

[EasymodeX]

Turn 4 has never been a big deal in terms of melee vs. ranged DPS. I don't know why people reference it as such.

[Denmark]

If I had to guess it's probably because the whole turn is mostly just a big DPS race.

[Daniolaut]

You're complaining about melee in Garuda EX, but perhaps forgetting about casters in Titan EX. The Titan fight is far far easier for melee to maximize their DPS. And Ifrit EX doesn't seem to matter much either way (assuming healers don't murder melee with Searing Winds). So uh... sounds like a trade-off, no? I have DRG and BLM leveled, and simply take the easier job to its respective fight.

I'd rather take melee to Ultima HM as well, as I seem to be constantly interrupted when trying to play BLM on it.

You actually make a very good point.

Unfortunately, my main is PLD. I play monk as a secondary, healer as a third and bard at a forth.. (i pretty much play everything but BLM cause i just dont like it haha)

With the rate gear becomes obsolete i dont get to play bard pretty much ever.. even though i could pull hate off a +1 DRG with my i55 weapon bard in garuda HM

I'm not complaining i'm asking that every fight every job is equally viable. Its not difficult to make content where one job isnt a major handicap... i dont know why the choose to make these choices.

I learned today that we, apparently, do not need to ever attack from the behind or flank. Courtesy of this Tank

... again i main tank.. this is not something pleasant to see :/

I second monk and its the most annoying thing to have a tank running around crazy. I personally, when tanking try to keep the enemies back to the party and move as little as possible. I also mark the mob who uses indicated attacks that i need to dodge as #1 so that way i dont have another mob targeted then turn them and screw up dps while i'm dodging the other guy

[dspguy]

While it may be melee dps > ranged dps in a pure DPS race, the risk vs reward still isn't there. Melee is inherently risky, as was discussed. Reward? Sure, you get more DPS, but not necessary DPS.

People can clear instances with 4 ranged DPS as well as they could clear it with 3 ranged/1 melee or 2 ranged/ 2 melee. Maybe you kill it a bit faster, but the DPS checks on these bosses doesn't require the extra DPS that MNK (and I guess DRG?) can put out.

It isn't risk vs reward then. The only benefit now is that if you rely on the limit break to be there at a certain time, you need at least 1 melee DPS in the party. Other than that... there is no reward for bringing melee DPS.