Disappointments and regrets of FFXIV

[Welsper59]

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You're very right in this. What you're not considering however is the very players you're trying to speak for. They don't like things that aren't fast. They don't like long-term goals that don't fit their view of time. A severely high and disappointing number of players claim they like stuff to be difficult to get and that it shouldn't be something they can get quickly. Yet, when they're faced with something that takes long to do/get, they will complain and say it's a failure (not worthwhile). They will complain that a month to acquire certain goods is too long. They will complain that a month to acquire certain goods is too short.

You and I are guilty of this sort of thing. Every single person who has ever had some sort of complaint about anything falls into that category. That's just how we, as consumers, are. We're in the mindset that the consumer is always right. Businesses force their employees to believe this, despite it being logically wrong in nearly every case. Now put yourself in the receiving ends shoes. What do you do about it? Not sure? Can't think of something that isn't literally an impossibility and implement it immediately (next 24hrs)? You're already a failure in the eyes of the general consumer.

[Mega_Man_U]

There was more content and party play in 1.0.
There was most certainly more content in RoZ (NA Release FFXI) than there is in FFXIV 2.0.
Also, XI was SE's first MMO. You would think that after 12 years of experience they would be able to gauge what type of content is worth investing in and what type isn't.

Chocobo racing - fail.
Pankraton - fail.
Small man, instance restrictive Pvp- fail.
Reskinning, recycling content - fail.
Please, look forward to it.

They do know. That's why they're making content for us "casual" players who take our time and enjoy the game for what it is instead of catering to the small percentage of "I steamrolled Titan XM with a hand tied to my back, I NEED MOAR" players. All these threads always boil down to the hardcore 5% saying SE is clueless while the rest of the players (most of whom don't even browse the forums) don't care.

[Royze]

They do know. That's why they're making content for us "casual" players who take our time and enjoy the game for what it is instead of catering to the small percentage of "I steamrolled Titan XM with a hand tied to my back, I NEED MOAR" players. All these threads always boil down to the hardcore 5% saying SE is clueless while the rest of the players (most of whom don't even browse the forums) don't care.

Actually no. The bar is indeed low if you think having things to do = hard core Haijin player.
I don't actually care to steamroll any content at all. I do, however, wish for diversity and that shouldn't be beyond the reach of SE.
Noting all the points I previously made, I'm not going to repeat myself.

[Nadrojj]

They do know. That's why they're making content for us "casual" players who take our time and enjoy the game for what it is instead of catering to the small percentage of "I steamrolled Titan XM with a hand tied to my back, I NEED MOAR" players. All these threads always boil down to the hardcore 5% saying SE is clueless while the rest of the players (most of whom don't even browse the forums) don't care.

They were smart, they catered to you casuals and made their money back, where will they be when all of you move on to the next shiny, and the only people left are the ones who want more while you guys are flying rocket ships in wildstar or one of the f2p clones?

[synaesthetic]

*words about vanilla FFXI*

What. What.

Did you really just say vanilla FFXI had more content than XIV 2.0?

Are you high?

They were smart, they catered to you casuals and made their money back, where will they be when all of you move on to the next shiny, and the only people left are the ones who want more while you guys are flying rocket ships in wildstar or one of the f2p clones?

I'm always confused as to why people like you think casual players are the game hoppers.

No, it's you tryhard douchenozzles who slam their face into the keyboard for 20 hours a day, clear every ounce of content within the first two weeks it's released, and then what do you do? Ya'll unsubscribe and go play a different game!

I've been subscribed to XIV since 1.0. I'll continue to subscribe to it, play it, roleplay with my friends in it. I'll go through the content at a good pace, and if I run out of Coil or whatever, I have other reasons to play. And because I and my company are such filthy casuals, we'll probably get Twintania and the rest of the EX primals on farm status pretty close to the 2.2 release date.

Look at that, we never unsubscribed! I wonder whom Square Enix should be catering to, hmm?

[Xairos]

I played FFXI for 7 years, i plan to ride this ship at least for 4.

What. What.

Did you really just say vanilla FFXI had more content than XIV 2.0?

Are you high?

The past is really, really convincing.

[Mega_Man_U]

They were smart, they catered to you casuals and made their money back, where will they be when all of you move on to the next shiny, and the only people left are the ones who want more while you guys are flying rocket ships in wildstar or one of the f2p clones?

I can't speak for everyone else (unlike some people in this thread), but I'm not planning to go anywhere. I like ARR, and I think it will only get better.

[Chayala]

Actually, more of the "hardcore" players I know have stayed around because they feel vested. Most people who point to themselves as casuals are one of three things.
1) People who don't want to learn their job or play well with others.
2) People who have too little time to play so they want something they can get into
3) people who want everything given to them.

To say that you complain because a long term goal is a failure makes us guilty of it? No. Relic weapon trials when they first came out in aby were stupid. Beyond stupid. 5000 bird kills with a single weapon skill? If it wasn't the WS didn't count. I want interesting. Promy. Awesome expansion. Loved the story. FFXI had a lot of fun stuff to do. Yes you had people complaining about how long stuff took but most of them stayed. Gil was a bit lop sided and some classes got hosed in farming. I hear shouts in RT and other places that it takes too long to get mythologies to get all your gear. There are few avenues for gearing, there is little to do. You're capped on how many times you can do what limited raiding there is minus extreme mode. You're unable to make alliances. There is too much that they could have gone and fixed or revised from their own game that would make it a better game. Here you still have problems with complaining how long stuff takes. I hear shouts in RT and other places that it takes too long to get mythologies to get all your gear. There are few avenues for gearing, there is little to do. You're capped on how many times you can do what limited raiding there is minus extreme mode. You're unable to make alliances. There is too much that they could have gone and fixed or revised from their own game that would make it a better game.

[Roris]

The thing that bothers me the most about recycling is that they straight up imported models from FFXI, XII and XIII right from their game files without pretty much any modification, you can easily tell by comparing screens side by side. I mean this is Final Fantasy and enemy recolors are practically a tradition but geez at least remodel them and make them fit into the world like they did with the Adamantoise which is based on the XI design, it's almost like they gave up halfway and were rushed to finish the game in time.

I know Yoshi P has a background working on Dragon Quest where it would be a travesty to change their traditional monster designs so it might be ok there, but most if not every Final Fantasy game have had the decency to come up with their own unique designs for monsters.

[Nadrojj]

I can't speak for everyone else (unlike some people in this thread), but I'm not planning to go anywhere. I like ARR, and I think it will only get better.

Exactly my point, catering to the casuals will retain a player base only until said casuals get really excited about something else. When a good chunk of their players leave for something new SE will have lost pretty much everyone who is cheering them on in their casual approach, all that will be left is grumpy people who don't even log in anymore because there is nothing to do.

Nothing wrong with playing casually, MMO's are meant to be enjoyed at whatever pace you'd like, but there is a good number of people who want/expected more and were left with a sour taste in their mouth after 2.1.