I'm liberal, but FFXIV may just be TOO liberal...

[gadenp]

Communism.

People seem to hate it in real life but love it in mmos.

Would love Communism too in real life except people are corrupt. Communism the ideal is great to a certain extend. Communism the reality is not the best system due to means which people can corrupt the system.

Near any system as an ideal is good, but this is not a perfect world...

Communism in MMOs is very real... because especially subscription based mmo developers need to satisfy the whole not the minority. And frankly as a form of entertainment, the majority does not want to see the minority having all the good stuff alone.

In Real Life it is the same, but in reality the minority hold enough power to ensure the majority while being unhappy cannot do much to change it unless it is so bad they band together and destroy the minority, aka civil war.

In a game, all players have the same power. Aka they pay the same amount of money. The majority being a majority has more power, as they as a whole pay more money. Thus developers will side with them. Unless those minority find a way to pull the power balance in their favour, then tough. Thus being Communist in payment, MMOs will therefore will always be more communist in gameplay. As they are scared to drive their majority player base away. And keeping a small minority does not bring in the cash.

Since the majority are casuals and really just playing for entertainment, making content too hardcore is a sticking point. Since majority do not have tons of time to grind, making it time consuming is another sticking point. And since majority like to be at least able to be on par or close to the minority level, you will not get a lot of content that are exclusive to the minority.

Alot of people complain about the game being too easy, etc, etc. But unless you can find a way to make your view the majority view, I do not see how anything will be done.

Only way minority becomes majority in MMOs, is really frankly time. After 1 year, most casuals will leave, leaving behind midcore and hardcore. That is when you see more challenging content. After 2 years or more, most midcore will leave. That is when you see really grind hardcore content. Also by the by, after 2 years of content upgrading, that is also when there is alot of things for everyone. Funnily that is when there are less people.

So if one actually thinks is through, you will see that realistically, in all MMOs, you need to wait. New MMOs will always lack content and always cater to the casually unless they specifically say they will not.

Also lastly... why old MMOs are more harcore, etc, etc. Simple:
1. previously people that play MMOs were already a minority section of a minority section. Aka hardcore gamers in a world that the minority games. This is not so now adays as tons more people game and gaming is now more main stream.
2. old games have are old and tons after years of development will of cause have more content then a new game that has just released
3. the casuals and midcore have come and gone, thus now the developers will develop more content for those that stay behind, as mentioned above.

So when I see people compare a new game content to an old MMO, I always go ..... "come on".... "some perspective please".

[Doo]

Communism in MMOs are great... because especially subscription based mmo developers need to satisfy the whole not the minority. And frankly if we are being frank, as a form of entertainment, the majority does not want to see the minority having all the good stuff alone.

You lose a lot of unique and fun games like that. Not everything should be catered to everyone. Everyone at different points of an rpg doesn't bother me. Others having gear I don't doesn't bother me. You can have like 50 COD clones that caters to the majority but that doesn't mean it's better that way.

[gadenp]

You lose a lot of unique and fun games like that. Not everything should be catered to everyone. Everyone at different points of an rpg doesn't bother me. Others having gear I don't doesn't bother me. You can have like 50 COD clones that caters to the majority but that doesn't mean it's better that way.

It is not. But it does not stop CoD for spawning a new game or 2 every year. There is reason why CoD makes millions and a great game like Journey makes peanuts ... Does it make it better, err no. But it is how it is.

Take Transformers... I hate it, but lets compare it to lets say Much Ado about nothing. One is a masterpiece, one is blockbuster. No points of guessing which. But which you think made more money, will spawn more sequels and will have more shows just like it and a better production value and was given way more money to be made.

[Doo]

It is not.

Which is what I'm trying to say. Let's say the majority wants F2P and cash shops because it's popular in mmos. That doesn't mean it's good!

[gadenp]

Which is what I'm trying to say. Let's say the majority wants F2P and cash shops because it's popular in mmos. That doesn't mean it's good!

But that means it is most likely going to happen, if that is what the majority would like. Unless the developer makes an dedicated effort to go against what the majority wants.

[Skotie]

It is not. But it does not stop CoD for spawning a new game or 2 every year. There is reason why CoD makes millions and a great game like Journey makes peanuts ... Does it make it better, err no. But it is how it is.

Take Transformers... I hate it, but lets compare it to lets say Much Ado about nothing. One is a masterpiece, one is blockbuster. No points of guessing which. But which you think made more money, will spawn more sequels and will have more shows just like it and a better production value and was given way more money to be made.

However foolish it may be, I like to believe people will eventually get tired of new games just adding new map packs to the same game they bought 6 months ago.

[gadenp]

However foolish it may be, I like to believe people will eventually get tired of new games just adding new map packs to the same game they bought 6 months ago.

I hope so too. But CoD 6 or whatever number it is, is not a great indicator of the future of gaming.

[Dark-Saviour]

Not everything should be catered to everyone.

I accept this philosophy with respect to games overall, but not necessarily within a given game.

Or to put it more simply, if you're going to make a game for the super-elite hardcore, it should be made like that in its entirety to the extent that 'casuals' steer clear and go elsewhere (though that's obviously not good for business).
And likewise, if a game is made to be enjoyed by casual players, there doesn't need to be super-challenging 'hardcore' content in it at all. The players that want that should be playing the previous game.
Basically, whoever the target audience encompasses should be catered to throughout.

As much as people stomp their feet about developers pandering to casuals, the opposite is just as bad. I've often seen people clamor for 'hardcore' content and tell anyone that opposes that they should go play 'one of the hundreds of other games for casuals' out there, but the truth is, even if you did, they're probably going to end up following you at some point and whining about the state of that game, before demanding that the developers make it harder. :-/

Ideally, we could have an infinite selection of games that suits everyone's tastes (I'd go for a laid-back, collection-centric type of game with no cash shop and no guilds, myself), but unfortunately, we're stuck with what's available. So nobody really ends up with an ideal game and all we can do is try to shift them one way or the other.

[saber_alter]

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as much as i love politics and all, i don't think it would be wise bringing such a topic into the forums.

[gadenp]

as much as i love politics and all, i don't think it would be wise bringing such a topic into the forums.

Hi Saber,
Which post are you referring too? Is it the post about the C word. I could re-write it if that would be better? Was replying to another user But as you said it might be a sensitive topic to some.