So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[Richiealvian]

If it stops people from being a jerk like that guy, I support the termination of parser wholeheartedly. It makes you dependent on it anyway, I used to use logrep and the one time I forgot, I get hit by twisters twice. Yeah, I'm bad, but I've learned to be better and so far have been winning even with it off. But anyway, I wholeheartedly agree that if people are going to use parsers to belittle others like the thread there I hope they'd just stop it altogether.

[darkstarpoet1]

This works sometimes, but 9 out of 10 time people respond with vile comments that should not be repeated when you try to help them.

most of the time it comes from being done in party chat(the only option now). they feel ganged up on in a group setting.

in 1.0 99% of the time i sent a tell to someone they'd be like "i know i don't do much damage, but i don't understand this or that". they understand they aren't good, but are willing to leave. most of the time it took a few minutes of talking in tells to get them to understand what they didn't get doing in person testing themselves. usually within 1-2 runs you see a drastic improvement as things start to "click" with what you told them. they are happy because not only did you get them through that one encounter, but you helped them improve so they could complete the following ones. i can't tell you how many people on my friends list were just some random i partied with and helped out in 1.0 that added me after a run asking to run with them again in the future.

If it stops people from being a jerk like that guy, I support the termination of parser wholeheartedly. It makes you dependent on it anyway, I used to use logrep and the one time I forgot, I get hit by twisters twice. Yeah, I'm bad, but I've learned to be better and so far have been winning even with it off. But anyway, I wholeheartedly agree that if people are going to use parsers to belittle others like the thread there I hope they'd just stop it altogether.

parser or not that person that's being a jerk is still going to do so regardless of a parse. you don't need a parser to tell which is low in a group. most times you can even tell which person it is that's holding a group back without ever glancing at a result. that rude person is just going to find another reason to complain.

it's like i got kicked from a titan extreme group before we ever engaged a mob. do you know why i was kicked? i joined a party finder group as a blm and was told blm's were horrible for the fight and was kicked before we even entered. that was rude of the party leader and had zero to do with any parse at all.

the point is that a parser isn't the problem it's the rude people that have any sort of control to single anyone out. it's not going to matter if it's a parse or you died once. that rude person will be rude for the sake of being rude and the parser is irrelevant.

[Kettle]

OR, you (and the rest of the party) could talk to the black mage and work a bit with him to improve his rotation and his overall dps, but no. You don't have time for this because, you, unlike everyone else, just entered this fight for the first time and cleared it without even the slightest effort, so why should you pay it forward when no else else had to put with your wipes in the first time.

Without a parser you wouldn't even know that the hypothetical BLM was under performing. And as you'd have no idea where a problem lay, and fights *are* being based on a DPS requirement, you may as well just give up.

[Azoryl]

OR, you (and the rest of the party) could talk to the black mage and work a bit with him to improve his rotation and his overall dps, but no. You don't have time for this because, you, unlike everyone else, just entered this fight for the first time and cleared it without even the slightest effort, so why should you pay it forward when no else else had to put with your wipes in the first time.

You can't fix people really. It takes basic intelligence and coordination, and the ability to adjust on the fly to accomplish the hardest content in the game. Skilled players are skilled because 1. They practice. 2. They think two moves ahead of the what the script is at. and 3. They adjust when something unexpected happens.

I play a BLM. I memorize every pattern because if I don't my DPS will suffer. I know exact spots to stand to avoid a hit just to be able to cast another Fire. I know when to stop casting and use Transpose cause it is a movement heavy phase. No one told me this stuff, I learn through blood, sweat, and tears. People can tell you, "Don't stand in landside"; people cant tell you how to learn. You have to find your own way to comprehend it.

[Aureliami]

Without a parser you wouldn't even know that the hypothetical BLM was under performing. And as you'd have no idea where a problem lay, and fights *are* being based on a DPS requirement, you may as well just give up.

For black mages it's usually pretty obvious which is why I use that as my example.

No matter which area of the game you go to from WP to extreme modes you see Black Mages casting blizzard 3 at full mana, see them casting fire 3 over and over with the full cast time, see them running around casting scathe when there's nothing to dodge, see them casting thunder on things with little health(ifrit nails). Same with DRG players who don't keep up Heavy Thrust or Disembowel, usually making it obvious they are lacking in DPS without needing a parser.

I usually pay attention to my party window a lot to see what people are doing when I'm playing, so I see this happen a lot. And yes I do try to help them out by explaining how to do a better rotation. It's just a complete gamble on how they respond. Usually it's in a negative way. Sometimes they appreciate though, and I got the 600+ commendations to show for that.

[darkstarpoet1]

Without a parser you wouldn't even know that the hypothetical BLM was under performing. And as you'd have no idea where a problem lay, and fights *are* being based on a DPS requirement, you may as well just give up.

actually you still do. a parser helps to refine the dps, but when one person is doing horrible dps you know without ever touching a parser. when a person is in wp as a blm doing blizzard3 and thunder spam it's obvious they aren't doing much damage. when you've cleared t5 and get into a group and the dps isn't high enough to beat demon wall there's no question where the dps issue is. if a person keeps dying over and over in the same fight and you wipe late into the fight it's pretty obvious where the issue is. not one single point in time in any of these mentioned do you ever need a parser to tell who isn't doing well.

it's easy to tell without any type of parse at all which person is holding a party back. that's for tanks, healers, and dps. it's obvious who isn't very skilled.

[Casper]

actually you still do. a parser helps to refine the dps, but when one person is doing horrible dps you know without ever touching a parser. when a person is in wp as a blm doing blizzard3 and thunder spam it's obvious they aren't doing much damage. when you've cleared t5 and get into a group and the dps isn't high enough to beat demon wall there's no question where the dps issue is. if a person keeps dying over and over in the same fight and you wipe late into the fight it's pretty obvious where the issue is. not one single point in time in any of these mentioned do you ever need a parser to tell who isn't doing well.

it's easy to tell without any type of parse at all which person is holding a party back. that's for tanks, healers, and dps. it's obvious who isn't very skilled.

No, it's not. Or, should i say, it is not always. You cited some example were this work.

But what happens when you are doing turn 4, nobody dies, yet you can't beat phase 3 before phase 4 spawn ? Unless you know the ideal rotation for everyone of your dps and can monitor all of them, you just won't know where the problem is. A blm not switching from umbral to astral 3 with a fire 3 for example will lower a lot his single target dps, but hey, unless you are yourself a blm, doubtful you know about it, and even then you may have other stuff to do than to watch every time if the blm is doing it right, let alone do this for 3 other people with different priorities.

[Niko_Kishiko]

At any moment I feel like an admin will pop in and give us a definite yes or no on xiv-app and the suspense is killing me.

[Nikita]

I want to know why they care about this program when they will be introducing addons at a later date that will pave the way to things like DPS meters yet they don't ban the bots I reported yet see a month after the fact with obvious guild tags like "iBot". Literally.

This really blows my mind.

[darkstarpoet1]

No, it's not. Or, should i say, it is not always. You cited some example were this work.

But what happens when you are doing turn 4, nobody dies, yet you can't beat phase 3 before phase 4 spawn ? Unless you know the ideal rotation for everyone of your dps and can monitor all of them, you just won't know where the problem is. A blm not switching from umbral to astral 3 with a fire 3 for example will lower a lot his single target dps, but hey, unless you are yourself a blm, doubtful you know about it, and even then you may have other stuff to do than to watch every time if the blm is doing it right, let alone do this for 3 other people with different priorities.

you are partially correct.

you would have noticed it before getting to that stage though. you mention the phase 3/t4 part, but there are also additional sections previous where you would have noticed something was off. it could be in your scenario that the soldier died really slowly or not a quick transition between them. sure, you may not know the exact member falling behind, but you would be able to recognize the mage side is lacking or the mele's are low. it's enough to make a general assessment and offer assistance to the group. it could be something as simple as the brd having the wrong song up at that time or noticing the blm not having mp consistently. as a blm main the mp a blm has is something i pay close attention to. hell if could be something as simple as them making a mistake on their rotation making them falling below, but if they get the first few dps checks then it was mare than likely a mistake and not something inherently wrong on a consistent basis.

mistakes happen by everyone. if it's a mistake that has a chance to be corrected by the individual i leave them alone to correct it. if it's something i can help them with though i feel like i'm helping tham and the rest of the group by trying to help. granted, i am talking about trying to actually help them and not just attacking them, but i can still normally tell who is falling behind without touching a parser. now when i'm running coil with my static if i use one or not is not anyone's business. if one gets used it's to help fc members and the fc group itself. nobody in my static would use it to call someone out and be rude to that member. most of us have all classes capped and can help in most jobs and are glad to help.

you are correct i will not know that said blm is doing sub 100 dps in turn 4(which i have seen), but i will know that blm isn't putting out max it's capable of.