So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[AerynnVulpine]

I know of people who have used the app to improve their DPS. I think the app could be very useful. I have watched people use the app to bring people together. In a titan pick up group a new player was doing horrible dps and his gear was decent. Someone in the party seen this new person had low dps by using the parser and consulted him. Helping this new person improve their dps tenfold. I don't see in anyway how improving the gaming community was malicious.

[Nosiahk]

But dont be a dick when it happens. Its really easy to say "hey your dps is below par and we are going to have to remove you from the group, I hope you understand" instead of flat out kicking them with no explanation or just saying "YOUR DPS SUCKS LOL BYEEEEEEE"

I would love to try that next time. "AYYE YOU SUCK! GTFO!"

[HeroSamson]

I would never use a program to check others out, if you do and you end up being banned don't whine about it, you made a choice when you started a dps check on someone and kicking them from the group assuming someone wouldn't know about it.

Taking a risk like that even if you were nice about it would be costly, is it worth it I say no.

Not trying to be rude but you gotta think before you jump.

[RedEyeDeath]

Seems to me they would like to keep invasive third party programs out of their game. Anyone that's played a tabletop RPG will know that dealing with players such as this is no fun at all. Usually players like this only slow things down and break the immersion.

[Royze]

yoshi-p is not the one who decides whats legal.

if SE didnt make, its 3rd party & its illegal.

Poor choice of words; "Legal" you say?
EU and International internet Law state that players own their characters entirely, game producers own the realm, and RMT is legal.
Legal has nothing to do with the TOS.

Public spokespersons of companies do in fact represent the company, its policies, opinions, stances, procedures and culture.

[darkstarpoet1]

honestly, this is part of the reason i miss being able to send tells to people in raids. in 1.0 i always parsed using bg's parser. since most content used multiple blm's and blm was my main i was able to send tells to people with lower dps and suggest changes to their rotations to help them. there were many people that just by giving a few pieces of advice in tells they went from the very bottom of the parse(even below tanks) to middle of the pack. those people were happy to have been given advice and felt better about themselves after feeling like they contributed to the party.

in arr if i parse and see someone is low the only option to point out things to help them is to do it in party chat where it seems to be calling them out in front of everyone. i don't like calling anyone out in front of a group so i keep my mouth shut about them in the group, but it costs me a chance to help someone else and that other person from being able to be given pointers on how to improve.

i would rather help someone in tell than to do it in front of others. when you call someone out in front of others you just start people piling on them and usually they just wind up booted from the group instead of given the opportunity of improving after trying the changes.

edit: to the people saying banning parsing would solve this issue is just fooling themselves. parsing is now and will always be used. people may stop saying they use them, but the majority that are endgame will continue to use them. even if they didn't do you really think removing a parser will make that rude person in the party be any less rude? no, he'll just find something else to complain about and still be toxic to the party. it could be speed of pulls, speed of kills, length of time in a dungeon, number of deaths, or anything else. my point is the rude person in the party is just rude because they are rude in general and a parser of not won't change their attitude.

[Kettle]

Honestly the actual message sent to the helpdesk from the bad MNK would probably give us a lot more insight about this. He probably reported abuse, and noted that the player was parsing his DPS. The first bit is probably what's caused the trouble. Clearly he hasn't reacted well to being told his DPS is bad. Overreaction and heavy handedness on the part of the GM though, almost certainly.

The awful passive aggressive attitude, plus quoting FC chat rather than the chat from the party in question would suggest...the MNK is the GM.

[Aureliami]

No one puts in PF "Running parser, will kick you if you drop below 200 dps on anything we do". That doesn't happen, because very little people would join. Every group I've ever seen that does the kind of crap he does, does it stealthily, and when it benefits them to be a jerk, they jump out like a jack in the box, and scream and cry about how terrible x player is, here's the proof, everyone laugh at him and kick him. We are just going to have to agree to disagree here....this isn't something you can just ignore and not play with, you will, at some point run into these people, because like I said, they don't broadcast to the world their "rules" generally until they're ready to act like a jerk. Banning parsers gets rid of that altogether.

Imagine doing Ifrit Extreme mode and not meeting the DPS check on the nails, which is very definitely a DPS check.

Would you

1. Pretend everything is fine and spend the next 60 minutes wiping with no chance of winning
2. Disband the party because "oh well guys, I guess we can't do this" then make a new party and have exactly the same problem
3. Kick the Black Mage who is running around randomly, doing an obviously horrible rotation, casting scathe half the time because he can't stand still long enough to do useful spells, and is most likely doing less than half the damage overall as the other Black Mage is doing. Then find a replacement and kill Ifrit Extreme.

I'd go for the replacement and the kill, personally. It's nothing personal against that personal. I just don't like wiping for hours for no reason when we could get the kill by simply replacing 1 person.

But I guess I have to keep wiping for no reason because if I replace the person holding us back from getting the kill, people on the forum will call me a toxic elitist :\

[darkstarpoet1]

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to be judged by some ingrate in a video game because i don't parse "200 DEEPZ" and I don't tolerate that kind of attitude either.

you also need to look at it the other way as well. if you are constantly dying and not pulling your own weight in the party you are hurting the gaming experience of the other 7 people in the party. if someone is pulling their own weight i hardly ever see anyone say anything about that person's dps. it's when a dps does less damage than the tank or is always dead(parser doesn't say that) when a person gets called out.

like i said earlier though i'd rather be able to send a tell to the one person and help them with their rotations to improve instead of calling them out in the group to get them kicked.

the point is if you aren't pulling your own weight you are hurting the gaming experience of the other 7 people in the party and causing them to waste hours to do something that's quite easy. to say you don't put up with someone hurting your gaming experience while hurting the gaming experience of the other 7 in the party is quite selfish.

[delphinius81]

I used to be an anti-parse person for many of the reasons stated in this thread. Parsers aren't the issue, it's what people do with the data after they obtain it. If you use it to belittle people for being "bad" then you are being abusive. If you use it to improve your individual or static/FC group's playing, then good.

The place with the problem is in pugging raid content. You get a mix of people that are new and experts, well-geared and not. A lot of FF14 content can be completed with one player being carried by others. In high-end raid content, players can no longer be carried. If someone doesn't know they are being carried, how can they improve?