Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?

[Bigglesworth]

this is just a bad idea. what MMO doesn't have an action however simple or complex it may be to level up a rank/skill/gear etc. what is what MMO's are, you start at some sort of beginning point and you progress. Kinda sounds like you are bored with the game, and you have valid reasons to be, but installing a mindless SP gaining system is not the answer.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, you have no way to prove anyone is botting via this method. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, though I question how widespread you would have us believe it is, and you certainly have no idea who is or isn't doing it. You have absolutely no way to know that. If they are at their computer, all you have is your belief they are using this memory controller. That's it. No facts. No proof. Nothing. Are you really going to tell me that your belief is based on something so simple as they are sitting in one place crafting for hours?

Also, consider this. If they are physically present at that computer the entire time they are doing this, their leveling is going no faster than it would if they were pushing that button themselves. Now, do not misconstrue this statement to mean I am defending anyone who does this. I'm not. But let's be realistic here. Either they are going to be stepping away to get an unfair advantage, and that time away is enough to get caught should people actually report this behavior in the correct manner for investigation, or they aren't leaving at all and are leveling no faster than anyone else who sits in front of their computer for the same period of time legitimately pressing buttons.

You all and your self-righteous defense mechanisms.
Of course I can prove you're a memory controller. That phase of entering enough times to guarantee your success is what gives you away. It makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing after certain synths that finish before your controller expects to.

You all fail to understand that everything you do or don't do as a human is forseeable and accountable, AND that everything an automated process does to try to approximate that behavior is imperfect at it and therefore also forseeable and accountable.

All this WOE IS ME WHAT CAN BE DONE??? AHHHH AHHHHH....

Simple, really. You can do a lot if you just stop being so helpless.

A human who starts a race faster than humans can react to a gun is disqualified, even if they started the race after the gun went off. This is because human actions are forseeable and accountable. It is you who argues BUT HOW CAN YOU TELLLLLLL...well quite easily. Just think about it methodically. If your reaction time is quicker than the neural process to hear a gunshot and then apply pressure to your feet, you didn't react at all. You false started.

How do you know the reaction time of a human? Simple. You test humans.

Humans do things no automations do. Automations do things no humans do. Even if an automation tries to randomize its actions, it randomizes it in such a way that no human would. And all these things are mathematically quantifiable.

It's just all voodoo and mystery to many of you because it's overwhelming to think about.

Orrrrr you don't want anyone to think about it maybe.

[Peregrine]

this is just a bad idea. what MMO doesn't have an action however simple or complex it may be to level up a rank/skill/gear etc. what is what MMO's are, you start at some sort of beginning point and you progress. Kinda sounds like you are bored with the game, and you have valid reasons to be, but installing a mindless SP gaining system is not the answer.

Might want to go play another MMO. Several have this system. It doesn't even theoretically make progression faster. It shunts a lot of the time it takes to craft to gathering materials, like in FFXI.

Which is a superior system to this, because gathering materials is funner than spamming enter on crafting. I'd rather gather mats, then blow by crafting levels with them. Much better sense of accomplishment, even if it took me forever to afford those mats.

FFXI's system is just better than this one's. Here, materials are worthless, but the crafting grind is automated mindless. There, materials are king, and you can blow by crafting levels.

Automation is superior to this system. It keeps mindless players and cheaters from dominating. It's more entertaining. It actually makes crafting progression more rewarding as you can see BANG BANG BANG all that hard work is acutely paying off.

This system is better.

[Wynn]

You have no proof of anything. Come back when you actually have this quantifiable data you are talking about and then we can have a real discussion. Watching someone press standard the entire way through a synth doesn't prove botting, it just proves the system is too easy.

Also, I think it is funny that any time someone disagrees with you, you either outright state or imply they must be doing whatever current wild accusation you are posting about. I don't agree with you, therefore I must be a botter right? Gee, I've only been playing this game since release. I must be the worlds worst botter, not just someone poking holes in your factless accusations. Naturally.

It is really sad that you behave this way because it is self-defeating. You're only hurting your own cause because it just makes you look like a paranoid rumor monger.

[Physic]

You have no proof of anything. Come back when you actually have this quantifiable data you are talking about and then we can have a real discussion. Watching someone press standard the entire way through a synth doesn't prove botting, it just proves the system is too easy.

Also, I think it is funny that any time someone disagrees with you, you either outright state or imply they must be doing whatever current wild accusation you are posting about. I don't agree with you, therefore I must be a botter right? Gee, I've only been playing this game since release. I must be the worlds worst botter, not just someone poking holes in your factless accusations. Naturally.

It is really sad that you behave this way because it is self-defeating. You're only hurting your own cause because it just makes you look like a paranoid rumor monger.

It doesnt matter if he can prove it. The point is if you have a progression system that is so easy to automate, its going to cause problems. Screw all the easy leveling people, make crafting complex and challenging for sp gain, there really is only two solutions, give up and make leveling super easy or make it very difficult to bot, aka very difficult to do without paying attention. pick your poison.

[Wynn]

It doesnt matter if he can prove it. The point is if you have a progression system that is so easy to automate, its going to cause problems. Screw all the easy leveling people, make crafting complex and challenging for sp gain, there really is only two solutions, give up and make leveling super easy or make it very difficult to bot, aka very difficult to do without paying attention. pick your poison.

I agree with you the system is too easy. I would advocate making it more complex over fully automated.

[Xandre]

A system that allows players to just select the number of crafts they would like to perform and it is carried out automatically? No, thank you. As others have mentioned, this basically defines a bot, but this isn't the thread to talk about that. The first thing that came to my mind, besides how players seem to want the game to play for them, is that this is extremely unfair to the other classes. If the crafters are going to auto-rank, then SE might as well implement a system so that after I decide what leves I want to do, my character goes out and fights the mobs without any direction from me. I might as well not have any involvement in this game at all. Again, as other have stated before me, they can alter and expand the current crafting feature.

[Dubont]

As always, the short answer is no.

[Zdenka]

The problem with crafting is that about 47% of the experience going 1-50 is all done on the same synth.

Once you hit 40, which is approx. 53% of the way to 50 you pick out your L50 synth and thats what you do all the way up. If there was some L51-60 synths things would be different but as it stands right now doing the same synth 2500+ times in a row is just tedious and has no effect on teaching you how to do synths. Its basically 60ish hours of hitting enter (and some abilities when you are lower 40s). I felt a sense of accomplishment reaching 50 but that was mostly a "thank god" feeling because my hand hurt from hitting the enter key.

I would suggest that each synth gets increased mat cost, and proportionally increased SP. However this is detrimental to creating HQs since right now, for a HQ all you do is spam the synth until it happens basically. For example if I suggested that a L50 synth at L40 currently gives ~800 SP for 20 shards and 4-5 mats. If we increased it to 75 shards and 15 mats for ~2000 a synth it would be great for leveling but terrible to gather that many items to try for HQs.

Theres some balance to be made but doing half of your SP on one item to get to 50 is just ridiculous. I hope they change it out of how its currently done someway, if that someway is for the better.

[Peregrine]

A system that allows players to just select the number of crafts they would like to perform and it is carried out automatically? No, thank you. As others have mentioned, this basically defines a bot, but this isn't the thread to talk about that. The first thing that came to my mind, besides how players seem to want the game to play for them, is that this is extremely unfair to the other classes. If the crafters are going to auto-rank, then SE might as well implement a system so that after I decide what leves I want to do, my character goes out and fights the mobs without any direction from me. I might as well not have any involvement in this game at all. Again, as other have stated before me, they can alter and expand the current crafting feature.

Crafting is crafting. Battling is battling. Logic fails. Crafting requires materials. Battling doesn't. Crafting requires crystals. Battling doesn't. No need for crafters to pay with TIME when they can pay with MONEY. Battlers pay with time. Crafters should pay with money. In the end it's all the same, but it's a different same.

People are going to whine if you make 2500 synths of crafting not netflixable because you have to now pay attention to every one of them.

To make it impossible for bots, you have to make it annoying for players.

Go the other route and do yourselves a favor. Make it all automated. You think it will result in everyone having a R50 craft, but it won't. You probably won't be able to afford to take GSM to 50, thus it'll take you two months of mining. And after that, to 75, to 100...oh it'll stop you from progressing no matter how fast you COULD progress.