Summoners have actually ruined this game's PvP

[Cleftobismal]

If only there was an option to face people while casting.
Oh, waitaminute, there is? Both turning yourself, or just spamming FACE TARGET?
WOAH.

Just FYI, we spell casters shoot garbage at a 90 degree angle. Aka just walk behind us (us as in those who are mentally challenged to left click position their character just to keep the spell up) or trick us to face away from you and Bad-ah Bing Bad-ah Boom. We cant cast crap on you, especially if your peeling us.

Woah, that's neato, Ruin II does the same damage, has a blind, and is instant?
I'm gonna use Ruin anyways. Because it's way cooler.

Dots + Fester + Ruin I charge + Instant Ruin II + Energy Drain . . .


Because Ruin II puts you on a Global CD anyhow while Ruin I puts you on a global CD once you start casting. z_z [That Dies Before you even shoot it]. Double damage. What does it mean?

[Quackley]

<facing target nonsense, hooray?>

I'm not sure how people not knowing how to face targets is worth mentioning, but okay.
Saying "we can't cast if you walk behind us or make us face away from you" is just saying "bad players can't cast on moving targets," which while true, doesn't really mean anything when it comes to summoners being over the top.

You can literally keybind a face target button, or just macro it in to your buttons.
Or just turn better, that always works too.
There's no excuse for not landing a cast as a caster, especially with the incredibly generous latency this game has.

If your not gonna let the BLM dmg then clearly you don't need to let the Summoner do so either.

One does heavy damage while making long chains of casts. The other does heavy damage without having to cast. Tossing up Bio2 and Miasma isn't anywhere near Fire3 + multiple fireballs.

Not letting a BLM do damage is easy. You sit on it forever and ever. Not letting a SMN do damage isn't the same at all. Sprint and Miasma2 spam gets you away seeing as how melee in this game don't have reliable snares, plus you get a ridiculous amount of fun instants. BLM has scathe and the PvP abilities, and has far more setup required to do damage even after sprinting away.

Enkindle's a long CD, but having basically a guaranteed kill with it doesn't suddenly make that okay.

Don't SMN's also chain cast mutliple spells to get their desired dmg though? z_z Where is this magic button that unleashes all their skills at once. Please Do Tell.

It's not even close, sorry.
To keep up the massive sustained damage, yes you need those dots.
To drop one target quickly/immediately, no, you don't need them.

I really hoped someone would point out the whole "instantly" thing, cause it's hilarious that people take it seriously.
No, it's not instantly, but it comes very quickly, fast enough that there's basically no spells that can go off quick enough to counteract it. Benediction and swiftcasted stuff maybe, but the total damage SMN can pump out during their "burst" is high enough that it's not an issue.

You can just bypass the limit by clicking edit for next time.

I dont know why u should even try hardcast flares when u can spam fire1 and wait fire3 procs that can crit like 2k?

Fire3 doesn't quite crit 2k, but yes, this is what any decent BLM does.
That's why when people mention anything about 2 flares, it makes it giggle.

[Cleftobismal]

One does heavy damage while making long chains of casts. The other does heavy damage without having to cast. Tossing up Bio2 and Miasma isn't anywhere near Fire3 + multiple fireballs.

My Baby For the Second Time~


As for the comment on flare, that was just an example on how painful a BLM can be. I'm not recommending anyone to chose that ideal.


And If I post a PvP Video of my experience in PvP. Would it help you understand that summoners are Glass cannons, And how much you should really appreciate your healers? z_z We don't just run and die. We do stuff to you know. D;


Which reminds me, is it just me or why did SE bolster the cast time on leeches/esuna?

[Quackley]

My Baby For the Second Time~


As for the comment on flare, that was just an example on how painful a BLM can be. I'm not recommending anyone to chose that ideal.


And If I post a PvP Video of my experience in PvP. Would it help you understand that summoners are Glass cannons, And how much you should really appreciate your healers? z_z We don't just run and die. We do stuff to you know. D;

Sure, go ahead and post a PvP video.

If Dj posting videos of him killing people in like 2 seconds (again, this is something magical called hyperbole, even though it's not that much of an exaggeration if one at all), even geared people, and arcanists completely dismiss it, why should we not do the same to your video?

And yes, the Leeches icon is cute.
It stops fester, sorta.

Funny cause I blow people up without dots or fester. I use all instant cast abilities and global people. Also, I have had 3 melee dps on me trying to "train me" and i globaled all three. Balanced is the correct word i guess. Oh and im still killing ilvl 90 bards and warriors without fester...

But who needs that anyways :3

[Cleftobismal]

Sure, go ahead and post a PvP video.

If Dj posting videos of him killing people in like 2 seconds (again, this is something magical called hyperbole, even though it's not that much of an exaggeration if one at all), even geared people, and arcanists completely dismiss it, why should we not do the same to your video?

I'm a main scholar... I sometimes wonder if you continue to debate with me as if you have sense or your just full of bullocks like your thinking gauge. u_u Give it 1.5+ hours and I will be back with a link. u_u

But who needs that anyways :3

What part of Glass Cannon Do You Not Understand.

[Quackley]

I'm a main scholar... I sometimes wonder if you continue to debate with me as if you have sense or your just full of bullocks like your thinking gauge. u_u Give it 1.5+ hours and I will be back with a link. u_u
What part of Glass Cannon Do You Not Understand.

Summoner's not really any more glass cannon than any other DPS.
Pretty much all of them are laughably easy to kill, damage in pvp is obscenely high.

That doesn't suddenly make it okay for them to kill anything right away.
If being squishy did that, BLM should be able to do the same yeah? :3
ie, let them do it all while on the move using instants

Or you know, Monk, or Dragoon, or Bard...
I'm sure that would go over well.

[Cleftobismal]

Summoner's not really any more glass cannon than any other DPS.
Pretty much all of them are laughably easy to kill, damage in pvp is obscenely high.

That doesn't suddenly make it okay for them to kill anything right away.
If being squishy did that, BLM should be able to do the same yeah? :3
ie, let them do it all while on the move using instants

Or you know, Monk, or Dragoon, or Bard...
I'm sure that would go over well.

I'll have to show you otherwise in my video. u_u



Speaking of "OP", here is a sneak peek.






Im assuming we should nerf warriors as well then yes?