Galvanize Suggestion

[Squa]

x8 players

Medica II, CURE III and Medica can also hit all 8 players, so its not necessary to include that figure in calculations when making comparisons.

[Splorch]

Medica II and Cure III are both used and part of my healing when they are required. I don't count their HPS potential on 1 person, I have to view it as a whole. Embrace with no crits AVG 635 every 3 seconds is over 200 hps as well. Together spamming eos you could potentially reach 500 hps without spending any mana.

[Squa]

Medica II and Cure III are both used and part of my healing when they are required. I don't count their HPS potential on 1 person, I have to view it as a whole. Embrace with no crits AVG 635 every 3 seconds is over 200 hps as well. Together spamming eos you could potentially reach 500 hps without spending any mana.

SCH are great healers and mana efficient, I don't argue that. However, WHM Cure III can 550 potency per 2.5 seconds = 229 PPS * 8 = 1760 potency per second
Whispering Dawn, is 700 potency over 21 seconds (1120 with rouse+fey) = 53 PPS * 8 = 424 PPS (this doesn't even include the 35% uptime max which would make it 148pps over 1 minute)

So you can see WHM is really the more powerful healer in terms of raw output. I am not saying SCH is bad, they just need a boost to be at WHM level.

[Splorch]

Neither of us will back down. People who read it can think what they will. SCH is still the stronger healer all around IMO and for the most part the math and parses have proven it so. The only thing a WHM has is group wide recovery, and its costly and for most battles is not required.

[Squa]

Neither of us will back down. People who read it can think what they will. SCH is still the stronger healer all around IMO and for the most part the math and parses have proven it so. The only thing a WHM has is group wide recovery, and its costly and for most battles is not required.

Parsers are, meh. Look at it this way, any new content that is solo healed, will be done with a WHM. Many of the extreme primals, especially Ultima/Titan, can be done fien with WHM/WHM, WHM/SCH, but SCH/SCH is pretty weak and usually ends up fail.

[Maku]

Parsers are, meh. Look at it this way, any new content that is solo healed, will be done with a WHM. Many of the extreme primals, especially Ultima/Titan, can be done fien with WHM/WHM, WHM/SCH, but SCH/SCH is pretty weak and usually ends up fail.

I think you might just be a poor SCH if you fail most the time if paired with another SCH.

[Sabeta]

The lack of Galvanize stacking is the biggest problem SCH/SCH has. Not saying SCH/SCH isn't doable, but I'd say it's weaker than WHM/WHM
the strongest combo of course if WHM/SCH.

[Velox]

the strongest combo of course if WHM/SCH.

Even now this is being debated in healing circles as FCs are experimenting with the various combos. Since 2.1 nerfed Medica II (less HPS), Eos now offers superior AoE HP regen. Assuming both SCHs are on the same page and rotating their skills in and out, 99% of the fights in this game would actually favor that SCH/SCH combo simply because SCH offers a ton of mechanics that offer great utility to the party. WHM are only heal machines, and not good for anything else.

Not saying WHM/SCH isn't strong, but we are playing a game where every single fight is scripted (thus SCH pre-shields are more effective than WHM straight heals), and we are playing a game where the tank is taking 99% of the damage (and SCH are the undisputed better tank healers). Really, the only content that would make having at least 1 WHM necessary would be a fight that is not scripted. The mob would have its own AI that allows it to respond to the party differently every encounter. This would require a "reaction healer" like WHM since no one would ever know when the next big AoE damage spike would be coming.

As it stands in CURRENT (and I stress that word) FFXIV, SCH/SCH is a superior combo to have due to utility.

[Splorch]

I tip my hat to you Velox for being another person that understands. A perfect example of this is comparing Wardens in Eq2(tso and back because I stopped after that) vs the other healer classes. They were indisputably the strongest recovery healing class, but they had crap utility and did not have any way to mitigate damage. They could make great recoveries, but once content was learned, the script was down, and timers were rolling no one ever wanted a warden in the raid unless it was an off night and its all that was available. Having utility, mitigation, and single target pretty much covers everything in this game. WHM/SCH works well together for learning, but once content is on lockdown that WHM needs to roll over to SCH.

[Sabeta]

That sounds perfectly reasonable. Then would you say double Eos is the better combination as well? the enhanced speed from Selene seems to only really benefit Black Mages. Everyone else sees it as efficiency going down. I've been stuck using Selene in T2 a lot lately for the Silence (somehow groups can't find a Paladin or second bard), and I've been noticing the difference in heals quite a bit.