Galvanize Suggestion

[echoist]

@Splorch:
Clear all the content first, then give advice.

Have fun with math all you want but when it's time to take theorycrafting off paper and into practice, your ideas fall short.

Edit: Clarity.

[AishaK]

@Splorch:
Clear all the content first, then give advice.

Have fun with math all you want but when it's time to take theorycrafting off paper and into practice, your ideas fall short.

Edit: Clarity.

Eh when you are 1/8 of a raid team clearing all available content is representative of two things, luck in getting in a good group and skill in the individual. Most the time people fall short in the first category. Besides we already have seen scholars saying they cleared titan ex dual sch, and that it felt easier than whm/sch. So much for ideas falling short in practice.

I'd love to hear about dual scholar attempts or success on twintania btw, doubt many people have even tried it though. The only thing that might prove difficult are fireballs and death sentences, but with two scholars spamming adlo pre ds there is probably a good chance you will have a crit adlo before ds cast. Or between scholar stoneskin and sacred soil you mitigate roughly the same amount a whm would have with their improved stoneskin.

[echoist]

@AishaK:
I never suggested that it was impossible to clear end-game content with a double Scholar group comp. And Titan Extreme is not the hardest content currently in the game.

When it comes to giving and taking advice, I find it best to speak from experience. I would never :ever: trade the natural compliment of a SCH/WHM combo for another Scholar.

Just my two cents, as somebody who actually :has: cleared everything in the game.

Edit: Clarity.

[Splorch]

@Splorch:
Clear all the content first, then give advice.

Have fun with math all you want but when it's time to take theorycrafting off paper and into practice, your ideas fall short.

Edit: Clarity.

I'm 3 battles short now. T5, titan, and ifrit. Given time I can easily see getting all but t5 using my network of pieced together friends and random acquaintances. Doing content with random people adds its own extra difficulty as I have to feel out what I get grouped with, and in many cases make up for other people faults. Its why I play WHM. The class is designed to fix other peoples errors.

[AishaK]

@ echo

there is only one fight harder haha. If people are clearing content easier without a whm it kind of renders the class irrelevant now doesnt it?

[DantedmcVII]

Besides we already have seen scholars saying they cleared titan ex dual sch, and that it felt easier than whm/sch. So much for ideas falling short in practice.

There are vids of whm solo healing titan EX so I don't see your point. I bet that's a lot easier to do on whm than sch.

[AishaK]

There are vids of whm solo healing titan EX so I don't see your point. Try to do that with sch have fun.

Oh nice whm can solo heal a random fight. I never said whm's cant heal or dont have nice aoe heals just that in terms of progression and end game scholars are looking to outperform whm. All the aoe healing power in the world means nothing if there are no fights designed with a whm aoe specifically in mind. Otherwise its safer to bring along the superior single target healer with sufficient aoe pet healing

Seriously, might as well have brought up turn 2 enrage strat, see guys whm is fine, they can aoe heal lots!

[AldoVonAlexandros]

it would be awesome, but our role is mitigation, i would prefer stackable shield, i dont like when we r two scholars and shields just reset, its like if a whm uses medica III and the other whm uses too but no effect of healing, so, also, when i did titan ex with another scholar it felt diferent, we where using a lot of succor and no one was going under 50% of their hp and having all those lustrates avaliable saved a lot of people, ofcourse we didnt finish the fight cause some dps died after heart, but i dont know, i think scholars are fine right now, also, using eos like it should be helps a lot when people is stacked cause she has so little range

[DantedmcVII]

Oh nice whm can solo heal a random fight. I never said whm's cant heal or dont have nice aoe heals just that in terms of progression and end game scholars are looking to outperform whm. All the aoe healing power in the world means nothing if there are no fights designed with a whm aoe specifically in mind. Otherwise its safer to bring along the superior single target healer with sufficient aoe pet healing

Seriously, might as well have brought up turn 2 enrage strat, see guys whm is fine, they can aoe heal lots!

Well it's dumb to bring it up as a reason for sch/sch being better than sch/whm when whm can solo heal the fight. Sch/Sch takes much more coordination than sch/whm or whm/whm due to the cooldown of WD and the fact that many of schs abilities do not overlap. I'm not arguing against sch/sch I just think it could use a boost in this specific aspect. A lot of times playing with schs it feels like you're fighting each other when you each go to adloquium the tank and someone's galvanize is wasted or you each have to use succor multiple times because the healing aspect is pitiful and the shield is wasted.

[Splorch]

And SCH's have solo healed Garuda EX. Titan is one of the few battles that plays to the WHM's strength. Garuda plays to SCH strengths. Hell paladin's have solo tanked T1 and T5 now. Do those battles alone define the strength of the class? No, but they do show off extreme cases where the class is powerful when pitted against their natural strengths.

T1 - almost entirely single target damage - SCH
T2 - actual strat single target - SCH
T2 Enrage - AoE recovery - WHM
T4 - Single target damage - SCH
T5 - Has a mix from what I've experienced/watched, some like SCH/WHM, others have told me complete it exclusively SCH/SCH

Garuda EX - Single target damage - SCH
Titan EX - AoE recovery - WHM
I'll hold any judgement on ifrit until I experience it myself.