Vote-Kicked from Pharos Sirus as healer

[Squa]

These are your words not mine...
This is somewhat acceptable...


Totally uncalled for... Do you not understand your job? Thats a downgrading statement and totally uncalled... Then you attack the WAR stating that they don't know how to stun...





If you cant see why you didn't deserve to get booted maybe you should get off your high pedistal and learn what respect is...

Then we get to this point where you start inpeading other peoples game progress...

Its called group responsibility. A dungeon requires teamwork and cooperation from everyone in the group in order to pass. When you decide to join a dungeon, in the Duty Finder, if you do not already come prepared with knowing what your responsibilities are, you need to be able to learn or communicate with your group to do so. This wasn't happening here.

You seem to have a point of view that everyone pays a subscription, so they can be a unique snowflake and run the dungeon however they want, don't need to listen or cooperate with a group, its their entitlement to get carried through a dungeon. I'm guessing the game is more of a social focus for you, or you may be into RP, or crafting, or other type of activities that do not revolve around dungeons. When you are doing your crafting, you can choose exactly what you want make, who you want to deal with, 100% in your control. You can choose which FC to join, which Linkshell, which friends to have, what RP to do, anything and that's all fine. That's what the game is for, there are no rules really. However when you choose to join a dungeon with Duty Finder, its not my responsibility to do your job, it is not your entitlement to get a free run through a dungeon handed to you. You need to participate/learn/communicate, it is your responsibility to play to the best of your abilities. To be honest, I don't really mind carrying players when I do, for example the BLM in AK this week who couldn't seem to make it to fights, or would afk and get "locked out," we killed the boss 3 people without him, and no I never vote kicked him. Or to the BRD in WP who I am doing more DPS as a tank than with multiple lvl 30+ items. I don't kick these people, I just plow through and get a win, and drop party. However in Pharos Sirus, I can't carry a party that can't learn job roles because it is a harder dungeon. I think a lot of DPS are just used to being carried, and they get to a place like Pharos Sirus, and their mind is blown when they have a responsibility/ Every lvl 50 BRD gets an interrupt skill, I'm not asking you to be full ilvl90 gear, I'm asking you to cast your skill at the appropriate time and communicate with the groupand I know you have interrupted before since you did your class quest.

[SummonerSenah]

If you're talking about Blunt Arrow, it's possible to go through the last few bard quests without using it. So I wouldn't assume that all bards know how to use it effectively.

[Ed_N_Ants]

You DISRESPECTED them... You got BOOTED... You DESERVED it...!!!

[Worm]

You seem to have a point of view that everyone pays a subscription, so they can be a unique snowflake and run the dungeon however they want, don't need to listen or cooperate with a group, its their entitlement to get carried through a dungeon. I'm guessing the game is more of a social focus for you, or you may be into RP, or crafting, or other type of activities that do not revolve around dungeons.

Look, and bear with me a second, do you ever think about how you sound to someone who hasn't met you? In the same way you saw their skill lacking ... they saw your personality lacking. I mean unless your original post is paraphrased, you probably pissed them off. This isn't the intent of the votekick or anything like it, but given the number of "I was kicked by elitists" threads I've read, where people say "you must just not understand how bad you are" I feel the need to respond in kind.

Do you understand you were being a jerk?

EDIT: I mean it's partially using that kind of militant raid speak people get used to saying "Tank" or "Bard" instead of typing out names and partially I assume you're softening your tone (like we all assume in every "I got kicked" thread the person was much worse than they are) for the purposes of this post. It certainly is abuse and it certainly was wrong, but I think like a lot of people in the "I got kicked ;_;" threads you might need to reflect a little on how you interact with John Q. Dutyfinder.

[Squa]

Look, and bear with me a second, do you ever think about how you sound to someone who hasn't met you? In the same way you saw their skill lacking ... they saw your personality lacking. I mean unless your original post is paraphrased, you probably pissed them off. This isn't the intent of the votekick or anything like it, but given the number of "I was kicked by elitists" threads I've read, where people say "you must just not understand how bad you are" I feel the need to respond in kind.



Do you understand you were being a jerk?

EDIT: I mean it's partially using that kind of militant raid speak people get used to saying "Tank" or "Bard" instead of typing out names and partially I assume you're softening your tone (like we all assume in every "I got kicked" thread the person was much worse than they are) for the purposes of this post. It certainly is abuse and it certainly was wrong, but I think like a lot of people in the "I got kicked ;_;" threads you might need to reflect a little on how you interact with John Q. Dutyfinder.

I was not being a jerk. I explained the fight very politely to everyone before we did each boss, the people in the party were new and did not know strategies. I explained everyone roles before the final boss. We died when people were not doing their roles, I then asked if they understand what was going on, and had questions about their responsibilities. Then I get the blank stares, no responses and "go, go, go, go." Apparently its my job to just carry them through a dungeon without them even lifting a finger or effort to make things easier or learn a new mechanic. Apparently I should be vote kicked for making them try. I am also guessing you have never been in Pharos Sirus, yet alone healed it.

Maybe we should have sat there and died for another 40 minutes because I was being rude and making players actually follow a strategy or use teamwork. Maybe I shouldn't have "hurt their feelings" by making telling them "strategy" and making them use "teamwork." You are so busy defending them you forgot to realize that they abused the Vote Kick feature and kicked me from the group. Even though they were noobs and I vastly outgeared any of them, I never even considered kicking anyone for being new or not geared.

I encourage you to make your own "unique snowflake" dungeon parties, you could maybe go on your crafter class, and not use any strategy and make sure not to communicate with anyone in your group you may hurt their feelings or offend them

[Worm]

I love how you insist you weren't being a jerk then prattle off a massively jerky post. It's even hard to feel sorry for you, because you're not even mad about being wrongly kicked. You're mad that players you deem inferior kicked you.

They abused a feature and you put in a report, that would be the end of it. Though when you put it on the forum you're asking the peanut gallery to give their opinion, that's me! They're wrong, I believe they kicked you and I believe you behaved just about how you said in your post.

I can really understand the frustration and being a jerk is a lot less worse than abusing a kick feature. I hate when people don't talk after a wipe, the "gogogo", trying to desperately avoid thinking just to instead roll the dice and hope things come out different. You're in the right here, however I think you're missing a little context on why those people got fed up with you, and it sure wasn't that their casualized baby brains couldn't stand the amazing genetically superior hardcore ubermensch before them.

If you're radiating contempt through dungeon runs like you are in this above post, then yeah maybe that what you thought was the first offense really was the last straw to them. I mean someone gave actually a really good example of where your communication became kind of rude and all you did was rant about "special snowflakes". I put it in even simpler terms and you call me a scrub who must not have run the dungeon. I don't know what to tell you, hopefully you just don't get grouped up with people who are new to dungeons since it so obviously irritates you.

[Velox]

*grabs popcorn*

Oh yea, this is getting good now. :3

[Delorean]

a Tank (WAR/PDL) can interrupt, PLD actually can do it off GCD, which is best. WAR is on gcd, and 20sec recast time, so it isn't ideal. Also, I explained the WAR about this and he wasnt' able to do it.

GCD is Global Cooldown, which is the 2.50s CD on most abilities. Brutal Swing is not on GCD, although it does have a brief animation.

As WAR I have been able to get every LV in every group I have been in, from groups with not so stellar DPS to great players with turn 5 weapons. It is, as you have noted, not casted very often. It also has a fairly long cast time. It's quite ideal if you ask me.

But if people are just putting their interrupt abilities in their rotation it can make them more difficult to manage.

Totally uncalled for... Do you not understand your job? Thats a downgrading statement and totally uncalled... Then you attack the WAR stating that they don't know how to stun...

please

unless someone explicitly called another player an idiot here, no one was "attacked". It's called criticism.

You know what? In life, you're gonna mess up and people are gonna call you on it. You're gonna know it, they're gonna know it, and so is everyone else. Then they're going to say something about it and you're going to have to deal with the reverberating sound of failure.

You're not gonna go very far in life if your first reaction is to just cry about it and start flailing your arms until the mean person pointing out your failures just goes away.

If you're one of the people who complain about this community being toxic every day, but just go crazy over someone giving you some criticism, you are a part of the problem.

Vote kicking someone for telling you something that you didn't want to hear (as long as it abides with the rules on language) is not only an abuse of the vote kick feature, but extremely disappointing as well. Fills me with disgust.

But you know what? I can accept that the op might not be telling the full truth. I can accept the possibility, that maybe, perhaps, they may have said something that was not exactly the most polite thing to say to another person.

However, the idea that you can kick someone from a group just because you don't like something they said to you is ridiculous. Not every piece of criticism blown your way is an attack on your impenetrable fortress of self esteem built on a foundation of insecurities.

[Hiroradius]

Yes you deserved the boot. You went in all high and mighty (again just going from your own telling of the story) and people need to learn the fight.


First fight you are going off on the bard because he didn't switch to adds, he says he did, he probably did but not immediately, on the first time in that dungeon I didn't switch adds immediately, I expected the tank to round them up and just have us AOE them. Heck even the the 2nd and 3rd time, when I understood the tank couldn't do that, and it was ok for me to pull threat on the adds, I then went and started killing adds as soon as they come up. Even know if there is a melee in the group, I don't go after the crawling one's first, I make the melee go after them and I take care of the other ones that are about to kick the healers butt.

Then you started on about the interuppts, again until you've seen it a few times you won't know what to look for or expect. Tank said he will do better at it, and instead you blasted the bards again. Then you caused a wipe because they were starting the fight and you refused to help.

Yup, good-bye healer, and we can wait for another one to get free myth. You taught them and explained to them how to do the fight, they got a couple of round experience learning the fight, and then they gave the next healer free myth.

There have been many times,many groups I do that we don't interuppt lunatic voice and still get through it. If it's interuppted, yes probably is a lot easier. Last time I did that dungeon, I had to solo the last 5% of the boss ( lol bio and ruin 2 kiting for the win with an enraged garuda)

And I think it's sad you run and report them for what? Wanting to play and learn the fight and not be belittled? Everyone thinks that "Oh it's not my fault I was booted" but yes it is.. It takes 3 votes to boot you, and if all 3 people voted yes, then you must have been doing something wrong.

[Radxen]

I find OP being attacked for being a jerk highly amusing, I would love for someone to explain mechanics I didn't know and help us through an instance like that.
I don't know if most of you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but "My feelings got hurt" is kind of a weak excuse if you don't even say anything in the first place.