"In-Progress" queue fishing has to stop

[Maxthunder]

Let them fish for a party in progress it is their choice. Either way you will have to wait regardless. If they took out the join in progress those players will more than likely just form a pre made and guess what that's less players join your solo or duo or trio Q. Personally when I do something its always in a pre-made so I dont have to worry about other player's that dont wanna perform or be carried thru a run.

[Maxthunder]

No. This is completely unnecessary. There is an extremely simple solution that I keep posting and people keep ignoring.

We don't need lockouts, we don't need to hide progress, or anything else.

All we need is one simple thing: Have the "Join in Progress" button actually do what it says 100% of the time. People who check this box should simply not be matched with new parties. How hard could that be? They get to join in progress like they want, people who lost members in a dungeon still get replacements, and new parties do not get bothered or annoyed by queue withdrawals.

Everybody wins this way. I don't know why people aren't seeing it.

I agree with you completely and I dont normally but this is the best option but than again if they do that we will be here again cause they will complain they cant get into a dungeon.

[synaesthetic]

All we need is one simple thing: Have the "Join in Progress" button actually do what it says 100% of the time. People who check this box should simply not be matched with new parties. How hard could that be? They get to join in progress like they want, people who lost members in a dungeon still get replacements, and new parties do not get bothered or annoyed by queue withdrawals.

Everybody wins this way. I don't know why people aren't seeing it.

Blind queues are better. This allows people to be greedy lazy dicks. The in progress feature was never meant so you can snipe the 50 mythology tomes in five minutes.

[Nysneirdre]

Let them fish for a party in progress it is their choice. Either way you will have to wait regardless. If they took out the join in progress those players will more than likely just form a pre made and guess what that's less players join your solo or duo or trio Q. Personally when I do something its always in a pre-made so I dont have to worry about other player's that dont wanna perform or be carried thru a run.

That's fine, have them stop joining. At least I don't have to switch to my main class and wait as the stupid window pops up 200 times forcing me to wait it out and not let me continue on with what I was doing before. I would RATHER WAIT longer and keep on doing what I was before.

[ProxyTooMuch]

Blind queues are better. This allows people to be greedy lazy dicks. The in progress feature was never meant so you can snipe the 50 mythology tomes in five minutes.

People are mostly greedy lazy dicks. All the people complaining in this thread about queue fishers just want to finish the dungeons faster and get their rewards more easily. That makes them greedy lazy dicks, too.

There shouldn't be any punishment for being greedy or lazy.

[Zakalwe]

Ok, so I had a wonderful CT queuing experience this morning. My PLD is fully geared up, but my BRD is in only DL, so I queued him up this morning for CT. I only had 2hrs to play, but hoped it would be enough. It took 30 mins for the queue to pop (was leveling my DRG while waiting). Fair enough. Down to 1.5 hrs. Then for the next 30 minutes it was an endless tank fishing operation. Twice, it sent the party/alliance construction process back to zero, to start all over again. At the 1hr mark I realized I no longer had enough time to ensure completion, which would have been unfair to my party even if it popped for real right away, so I withdrew from DF.

So for all those who fish, please consider what you are doing to the playing time of those who are facing time limitations and would like to run the raid as intended.

[BloodPact]

Im a tank , I used to fish but its too hard now because there are too many fishers out there fishing for fish . I can see the benefit of fishing CT if you need item from last boss .

But if I get group in progress when I don't want one Guess what lad , I will quit that group and take the 30 min debuff and alt tab and go play hearth stone , or muck around on kerbin space program or play some GTA5 etc , maybe I will watch some youtube

Fact is I could spend all day joining groups and quiting because I really only need to do 1 roulette a day to cap my myth.

That is your problem and decision. The fact is, you'll be punished with 30 minutes of not being able to register again. And that will not only affect you. It will also spare the other 7 people you screwed over from having to endure another of your drops for the next 30 minutes.

[Eidolon]

I'm a little curious why people think separating 'in progress' from 'new start' dungeon would affect anyone other than 'in progress' fishers. They insist it's because people will join 'in progress' dungeons alone, and then no one will que for a fresh dungeon.


But that's not the way that would work at all. Simply put, by making it so they would only que in progress, you would effectively remove people who are already negatively affecting the que. The people who are que fishing aren't genuinely part of the que - they aren't there to help, they are simply seeking to serve themselves and are NOT making que times better.

The best plans are posted throughout this thread.

Hide the que progress
Disadvantage: Tanks will still happily join -> Quit and eat a 30 minute debuff when it's not at 2nd / 3rd boss. There's enough to do in this game as-is. This also has the issue of the fact that if you get the que fisher and he just leaves, then you are now stranded at the very start of the dungeon without a tank. Most tanks at that point that joined in progress will continue to leave, thus you may very well have wasted your entire que for nothing.

Separate the que's
There's really no disadvantage to this that I can see. If you say it's because 'people will no longer que for a fresh dungeon', I think you're wrong. I think people will happily que a new dungeon, and will be happy they don't have to deal with fishers withdrawing 50 times anymore.

Moar buttons!
Why not make more buttons? Why not make it so that you get two buttons button - 'Join in Progress Only' and 'New Dungeon or Join In Progress' that determines which que you get put into? That way, Fishers don't have to fish, and fresh starters can start fresh, and those caught in between will not be affected.

[Melithea]

There shouldn't be any punishment for being greedy or lazy.

It's not just a simple matter of being greedy or lazy; the current system allows certain players (tanks) to actively disrupt, bother, and even harm other players, and they can do this anonymously and indefinitely. At least two good suggestions have been made here as to how to fix this while hurting nobody, and other methods would also work. There's absolutely no reason to leave the system in its current form unless you just like hurting the dps players. I mean, there are fixes that would make it better for the "fishers", too. I'd rather a purely mechanical fix than a system that outright punishes people, but if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

[Verius_Nox]

No. This is completely unnecessary. There is an extremely simple solution that I keep posting and people keep ignoring.

We don't need lockouts, we don't need to hide progress, or anything else.

All we need is one simple thing: Have the "Join in Progress" button actually do what it says 100% of the time. People who check this box should simply not be matched with new parties. How hard could that be? They get to join in progress like they want, people who lost members in a dungeon still get replacements, and new parties do not get bothered or annoyed by queue withdrawals.

Everybody wins this way. I don't know why people aren't seeing it.

And screw over anyone who plays something like DD who use it to have a small chance of finding a dungeon faster?

Or screw over the people who need a replacement, but no one uses the Join in Progress button because separating the queue fucks their queue time?