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  1. #51
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    Yukiko's Avatar
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    Yukihko Kuroshima
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    Since when Final Fantasy has become an action RPG?
    I wonder what will Hiroyuki Ito say when hearing that...

    Seriously, it never was and never will be, you are trying to hard and destroying the origins, which makes the game losing its identity!
    We are playing Final Fantasy and not Zelda, Assassin’s Creed or Diablo.

    That said, I do not think the combat system in FFXIV is great, and agree it needs some finetuning, but all that "too slow" thing irritates me. Try to play older FF games and tell me again those are "too slow"...
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    Last edited by Yukiko; 01-18-2014 at 07:27 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

  2. #52
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    Raeletta's Avatar
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    Raeletta Delqit
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Played slower, non GCD games, played wow. Prefer this.

    PWI didn't have a GCD, each skill had its own cooldown (and casting lock where you couldn't use any other character skills) and it felt slow, although it was still fun for a good time. (And the naimations were generally pretty good. Anyone who played it knows the iconic BIDS, or Heavens Flame attacks)

    Wow (I didn't play it all that much, but I played it enough to get the feel. Which is to say I don't like it. I loved the world, but the combat... I hated.) is so fast nothing feels like it has done any real damage or had a real effect. I played an orc warrior for a while on the real deal, and various classes on private servers. fast, but so fast things, or you, died before you even had a chance to react. It was like titan em (As in, you had to already know it all), but all the time. (Though it was paper cuts not 2 hitters.)

    This game may be slower, but each attack has some feel to it, you have time to actually enjoy it. And even better, Macros are inefficient in most situations (They do not work for times that arn't a full second, meaning no one bar Monks can use them to get the best damage, and even then I don't think they'd be any use considering how often you need to change up what you're doing to avoid a hit and still deal damage in the same cycle. They can be used to reduce buffs to a priority list 1 button though.). People need to actually play, so they DO need thinking time.

    Game isn't super hardcore, not everyone can enjoy a game at 300 clicks/taps a minute. This isn't to say you're wrong, but "the norm 1 sec etc" as some put it is not always the best. Every time I talk to my friends who play them it all comes down to macros. "I hit my stun macro" "She had this basically everything macro and needed to press only one/two buttons" "We had this guy, he didn't know how to make a macro, he sucked SOOO bad"
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  3. #53
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    Razzle's Avatar
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    Razu Erisu
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    Omega
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    If anything I'd like it to be slower. Not faster paced... If I want fast action pace rpg I got many options on the market with PSO2 on top of them. I want to have something different.
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  4. #54
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    When I first joined this game I immediately noticed how "clunky" (AKA slow) it felt compared to the other MMO I was playing before. In fact that was one of the reasons I almost quit before reaching endgame. It took a long time to get use to it. I'm fine with it now, but I wouldn't be against speeding it up.

    And when I say slow, I mostly mean the cooldown. It's actually why I, in the end, decided to opt out of PvP.
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  5. #55
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    Cherie's Avatar
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    Cherry Fortuna
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    Leviathan
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    I can see where you all are coming from, I mean, I did play rift, wow, CoH and many others and this seems to have the "slowest" GCD of any of them.

    But, what I don't see is, why does a faster GCD = skill? What's wrong with planning out your moves a little better and *gasp* maybe not be able to use a critical move when you need it because you chose poorly and you GCD is spinning when you need to do something important?

    I think a slower GCD is a bit more realistic. I mean, yes you can push buttons at .5 second intervals but, can you really fire arrows that fast?
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  6. #56
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    Atemi'a Arecis
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    Leviathan
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by avecha View Post
    I honestly fall asleep sooo much during this game. Last week it was Turn 4 i fell asleep in.
    Yes, Black Mage would do that to you. Watch out for those Thundercloud procs though, you never know when they might come... <.<
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    Last edited by BloodPact; 01-18-2014 at 10:47 PM. Reason: Grammar

  7. #57
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    Sunah Yhisa
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    Siren
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Varhaatus View Post
    I have to agree a bit here, mainly flow of battle.

    Tanking is far far far to easy, everything is just so slow. I see people saying "this is tactical" but really ?

    I can tank 5 mobs at once while rolling a ciggy and having a drink of coffee, its almost as if im semi afk 90% of the time until I need to move to the next trash pack or boss. It suprises me a lot to hear the "so many bad tanks in this game" stories from friends ingame when its just so faceroll, the red circles of AoE/coned attacks require very little reaction timing.
    This is mostly true. Especially for Titan HM while working on my relic quest I literally stood in one spot petting my rabbit and using the mouse to click 1-2-3 and a defensive CD right before mountain buster. I'm sure warrior tanking is a little more dynamic but this game is a bit slow paced.. the 2.5 sec GCD doesn't help all that much either.
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  8. #58
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    Alex Niculaie
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Not every game needs to be an "action! action! ACTION!" one. And if 2.5 seconds is "slow" to you, you have serious attention malfunction. I'd look into medication if I were you.
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  9. #59
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    Varhaatus Var
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    Odin
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunah View Post
    This is mostly true. Especially for Titan HM while working on my relic quest I literally stood in one spot petting my rabbit and using the mouse to click 1-2-3 and a defensive CD right before mountain buster. I'm sure warrior tanking is a little more dynamic but this game is a bit slow paced.. the 2.5 sec GCD doesn't help all that much either.
    This was my points, not to bash the 2.5 GCD but as a long term tank player the cooldown combined with 3 skills I have leads me to semi afk tank.

    The paladin is not engaging and it feels very slow, for people to say "get to endgame then complain" im sorry but im not getting anymore skills
    (I will get one more im 48)

    I stand still hit 1-2-3, wait, move, flash, wait, move, make a ciggy, 1-2-3, and repeat.
    Maybe the red circles might be come more frequent but it still very slow paced "IN MY OPINION" (see what I did this time) The GCD either needs some adjustment or the Paladin need more of more , you can say roll another class but ... well whos going to tank for the dps classes ?

    We are already a low played class, I think this has as much to do with the slow pace of the class/combat system as it does with the so called
    "toxic community" (which I haven't seen yet)

    On another note the reason I brought my tanking experience into it is because tanking is tanking and here the tanking is over easy due to the pace of the combat, it seems this thread has became centred around me and my replies now but oh well I replied to the OP because I had an "opinion" (again) about my class and the pace of combat.
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    Last edited by Varhaatus; 01-19-2014 at 12:09 AM.

  10. #60
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    Karnyboy's Avatar
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    Sigmund Felsword
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    This is the first game I have enjoyed exclusively healing in and not feel bored in PVE, I am not sure what you're smkoing but faster GCD means nothing, I fell asleep through the monotony in WoW and it had a faster GCD, so your point is moot.

    I play Tera and I am nto sure how long it's GCD is but it feels no different than this game, I think the problem is... <gasp> YOU!!!
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