And what situation with tanks on your server?

[Zakalwe]

Thank you for these suggestions! I leveled GLD also on the alt to get Flash... then found out it has a limited range! XD

Even now, when helping new people through a dungeon, I gently remind everyone to run TO the tank if they have aggro, not away! XDD But yes, I will practice more! Wish me luck! :3

My Main's a PLD, and they struggle more than a WAR early on. Your tanking stance is just a few levels away at 30, while PLD doesn't get his until 40.

Once you get your Defiance stance and get a little more practice with enmity building and servicing, even synced-down 50s won't be a threat going full bore. And don't forget to take your PLD up far enough to get Provoke. Provoke's not absolutely necessary until you hit cap, but once you have it you'll find it is incredibly useful when one gets away, when you need to pull further than tomahawk can reach (but otherwise it is *not* for pulls), when needing to reestablish aggro after a raise, or for tank swapping, which you won't be doing until CT, Coil, or the EX Primals (unless you are OT and the MT goes down and you're not #2 on the enmity table).

[Marleytiva]

Sarg tank reporting in. I'm full i90 War, and i85 Pld. If you want to know the reason tanks don't join.. it is because we already have the gear. I am gearing up my alts through CT/EX drops, and unless a party is somehow "greed only" there is literally no reason for me to join. I get my weekly Primal kills on tank, then move on to my brd/blm.

Something to consider for people trying to make groups: You are blocking out tanks by making your gear requirement too high. By the time someone is actually i80+ they most likely don't need whatever group you are making. There is no incentive for them to join, and you keep anyone who might have incentive (alts) from joining by restricting gear too heavily.

Honestly if SE made a "Master Loot" function for premade parties, I think you'd see a lot more tanks willing to farm on their main tank. I know I would, because I could ensure that every jack nob joining a "Greed only" party, won't hit the "Need" button and run when agreed upon lists are in place. Just my 2 cents.

That's another reason I don't join PF as a tank. I'm an i90 Warrior and an i87 Paladin, if there was a loot function in place like you described, I'd probably be more willing to join as a tank.

[BobbinT]

I still occasionally help people when they need tank roles, mostly on relic quests though. But... as tank never was my main, I only use it to when I need to farm things quicker, well... with the benefit of instant entry using DF. lol

And with introduction of recommendation system, I can see that many people didn't really appreciate tank roles. Seen several occasion where I got zero recommendation, even when doing CM or Prae. Hope healers has their recommendation instead though, but this does makes playing tank not so rewarding. Not that I really care with the achievement rewards which is just basically useless crown, minion, barding, and new ride. lol

[Grailer]

A lot of the time im unable to play because of the 30 min timer . Like I just had group and the bard is standing around AFK , I quit after first pull .

This happens a lot more than people realise.

I realise DF is random so there are a lot of those bad puggers but I seem to be getting bad RNG on groups lately.

[Avalon_Albrook]

Same situation on Siren, and 2.1 exacerbated it. I was curious why, so I asked around to various players I knew (and some I met randomly thru PF). Apparently the situation is that a lot of tanks are switching to DPS because, "DPS has it easy with the post 2.1 fights, tanks actually have to worry about mechanics now."

As a tank on Siren that is hit up constantly whenever online to run things, I have to agree that this is a likely reason why some tanks have prioritized other classes now. Can't be the only one, but I'm sure it's a factor. It depresses me to think that, however, because I've been personally ecstatic with 2.1's fights requiring active tanking as opposed to passive tanking. I've said more than once, "this is awesome, I actually get to DO stuff now!" I wish everyone could have the same kind of enthusiasm for mechanics that force us to have to maneuver and strategize just like everyone else.

[Ispen]

As a tank on Siren that is hit up constantly whenever online to run things, I have to agree that this is a likely reason why some tanks have prioritized other classes now. Can't be the only one, but I'm sure it's a factor. It depresses me to think that, however, because I've been personally ecstatic with 2.1's fights requiring active tanking as opposed to passive tanking. I've said more than once, "this is awesome, I actually get to DO stuff now!" I wish everyone could have the same kind of enthusiasm for mechanics that force us to have to maneuver and strategize just like everyone else.

I agree it's nice to have to do something instead of standing there and hoping 3/7/23 people don't mess up.

[Dreamer]

On Balmung, the tank situation honestly isn't too bad.

The problem is, why would anyone want to play a tank, who's expected to both lead the party and magically know every fight, when you could just faceroll everything as DD? It's as much a flaw in game design as it a flaw in people.

[am0n]

Honestly if SE made a "Master Loot" function for premade parties, I think you'd see a lot more tanks willing to farm on their main tank. I know I would, because I could ensure that every jack nob joining a "Greed only" party, won't hit the "Need" button and run when agreed upon lists are in place. Just my 2 cents.

I suggested something like this in beta, where when you joined the instance you could select which class you wanted to roll for. This way, if you were there on your Tank or Healer (i am iLvl87 WHM, so I am in a similar situation) because that is what the group needed, you could still go ahead and work on gearing your alts. Sadly, this will never be.

I've seen a lot of Hm Ultima groups looking for a healer, but since I don't need anything from Ultima, I only help out my FC when they ask. If I could heal Ultima but still roll on stuff for my alts, I'd do that.

[zakalw3]

I suggested something like this in beta, where when you joined the instance you could select which class you wanted to roll for. This way, if you were there on your Tank or Healer (i am iLvl87 WHM, so I am in a similar situation) because that is what the group needed, you could still go ahead and work on gearing your alts. Sadly, this will never be.

I've seen a lot of Hm Ultima groups looking for a healer, but since I don't need anything from Ultima, I only help out my FC when they ask. If I could heal Ultima but still roll on stuff for my alts, I'd do that.

And rightly so.

Conversely: If I'm tanking the dungeon, why should a dps be able to roll on my loot?

I guess you could work around it by giving priority to those playing the actual class, but that would reduce incentive.

[am0n]

And rightly so.

Conversely: If I'm tanking the dungeon, why should a dps be able to roll on my loot?

I guess you could work around it by giving priority to those playing the actual class, but that would reduce incentive.

If DPS is what your group needed and they were willing to give up their Need roles for DPS stuff, why not? If you are unhappy with that, you don't let them join and find a different DPS.