An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: Please Slice One Zero Off the Housing Prices

[Grizzlebeard]

Unlike those who run Coil who don't have any interest in the 'bragging rights' or ego .. I see you're on T4.

In the absence of alternate advancement paths the only way to increase your character's potential currently is via loot. As such, running endgame content to maximise said potential is perfectly acceptable and in line with developer's expectations and game design. You seem to have an axe to grind with "end-gamers" I'd imagine your perception will change when you actually level to that point.

Additionally, claiming housing is not hardcore really shows a poor lack of understanding of the required amount of work people who have already achieved this have had to put in. You really think the work required to appropriate a 625 million plot of land on a Legacy server is trivial and not as hardcore as running a particular instance once a week?

[Kyana]

Unlike those who run Coil who don't have any interest in the 'bragging rights' or ego .. I see you're on T4.

Your comment about housing is so laughable it's untrue, housing is one of the most casual and least hard-core activities and casuals are those who least care about phat lewt or the 'bragging rights' so many end-gamers think [stupidly] such items gain them.

1. I think I fail to understand how the progress of my small FC in Coil, which we do for the challenge and of course the loot, has any connection with earning gil and housing. Care to elaborate?
Also, don't judge over people you don't know. Neither am I hardcore nor elitist. I like getting things done and I like helping others out.

2. What's laughable about expressing my opinion?
As it stands, housing is not casual at all. The casual part about it is to design your house and fill it with stuff from your adventures and so on.
But to get to that part you either have to be in a really big FC or grind (because that's what making gil is) enough till you are able to afford a plot of land.
The entertaining and casual part about housing should be to equip it with stuff.
That should be the long-term content to work on, not building a house you fill with stuff in a matter of days.

I'm not asking for instant gratification. But the reward (housing) should require reasonable effort for what it has to offer.
But currently housing doesn't offer any bonus to anything and doesn't enable you to do something you couldn't do without a house (please correct me if I'm wrong).

[ArkhamNative]

Either way - prices are way out of line, the pricing disparity between server is discriminating (and I'm saying that being in the second "cheapest" server group) and the way Yoshi and whole dev team is IGNORING us from the day one and only playing for time with useless "decreases" in the price is very disturbing

It's hard to know what exactly is out of line since so much of the housing situation is so messed up. But SE has responded to our outrage (the JP are equally vociferous, we're told). It's just not what we want to hear: Pricing is set high to discourage sales, because there's not enough capacity. Prices will be lowered even more over the coming months.

My understanding is if they made houses free or cheap even now, a month after the feature's release, they would have to stop sales almost immediately once they hit capacity. Players just can't win at this point in time. And therefore neither can SE.

[Pinworms]

^^

That would be better than only the select few that can afford one. At least then the content SE put into the game would be used. It would also encourage SE a little more to get more wards sooner as they fill up. It's a no brainier to me. As it is now the housing areas are just wasted space. If SE didn't want us to use it or are not ready for us to use it then they should not have released it when they did. I'd rather see a busting ward and wait on more capacity than it completely dead.

[Hessarial]

Unlike those who run Coil who don't have any interest in the 'bragging rights' or ego .. I see you're on T4.

Excuse me sir, when one is trying to prove a point via sheer egotistically illogical, biased and unfounded opinion, one generally tries to use correct grammatical structure when doing so, so that an intelligent person may not (as I am) pick apart any flaw in it, piece by piece.

The opening statement of your second sentence, and I quote; "Your comment about housing is so laughable it's untrue-" Is in fact so backwards it is laughable. See what I just did there? I made you look like an idiot in front of your peers because, good sire, you are.

I myself care very much about endgame content pushing and progression, having been a realm-first raider in my WoW days, also, please Google "I Can't Hear You Over the Sound of How Awesome I Am".

-Hessa

[LiadansWhisper]

Excuse me sir, when one is trying to prove a point via sheer egotistically illogical, biased and unfounded opinion, one generally tries to use correct grammatical structure when doing so, so that an intelligent person may not (as I am) pick apart any flaw in it, piece by piece.

The opening statement of your second sentence, and I quote; "Your comment about housing is so laughable it's untrue-" Is in fact so backwards it is laughable. See what I just did there? I made you look like an idiot in front of your peers because, good sire, you are.

I myself care very much about endgame content pushing and progression, having been a realm-first raider in my WoW days, also, please Google "I Can't Hear You Over the Sound of How Awesome I Am".

-Hessa

I feel like you didn't actually read what he was saying. I think perhaps you should read what he was responding to before getting your underwear in a knot.

BTW, ICHYOTSOHAIA is a nice achievement, but the majority of people who got it got it with 2 tiers extra gear. Flashing Sinestra around like it actually matters a full expansion later (and in another game, no less) when it was a buggy fight with some of the dumbest mechanics I've ever seen as a healer, really doesn't earn you any street cred.

And yes, I have the achievement, too. I'd like a medal, please.

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1. I think I fail to understand how the progress of my small FC in Coil, which we do for the challenge and of course the loot, has any connection with earning gil and housing. Care to elaborate?
Also, don't judge over people you don't know. Neither am I hardcore nor elitist. I like getting things done and I like helping others out.

I think what he was getting at is that you're judging this situation as "not worth your time" and finding yourself "unable to understand" anyone who has an issue with it. Yet, you actually care about Coil, obviously.

Sometimes people care about things that have nothing to do with achievements or tangible advantages. That doesn't make them wrong. You have things you care about, which is fine. But don't put people down because they care about different things.

If that wasn't what you were trying to do, I apologize, but that's how the initial comment you made seemed to indicate that was your issue.

2. What's laughable about expressing my opinion?
As it stands, housing is not casual at all. The casual part about it is to design your house and fill it with stuff from your adventures and so on.
But to get to that part you either have to be in a really big FC or grind (because that's what making gil is) enough till you are able to afford a plot of land.
The entertaining and casual part about housing should be to equip it with stuff.
That should be the long-term content to work on, not building a house you fill with stuff in a matter of days.

I'm not asking for instant gratification. But the reward (housing) should require reasonable effort for what it has to offer.
But currently housing doesn't offer any bonus to anything and doesn't enable you to do something you couldn't do without a house (please correct me if I'm wrong).

From your initial comment (that Kraggy was responding to), it honestly sounded like you were saying that casual players shouldn't get access to a house. Now it seems like you're saying the exact opposite. Maybe it's because it's 4am, but I'm terribly confused now. I actually think you and Kraggy are misreading each other's posts, because you both appear to be saying the same thing after this clarification.

[Crizz13]

HOLY WALL OF TEXT O.O....sorry didnt read all of that lol.....but im pretty sure they are planning on bringing out
a solo house....we can sit and be lonely there and dream about a bigger house with friends lol.

[WhiteGarden]

Hi, I'd like to cast another vote in favor of making housing pricing more reasonable. Also, the small house size is so small that no normal sized FC is going to want one.

Prices should be:

4 million: Small, 15 million: medium, 40 million: Large --- across all servers.

That would be fair. Thank you.

[HEC]

Prices should be:

4 million: Small, 15 million: medium, 40 million: Large --- across all servers.

Actually - divide it by another 4 and you've got my vote

Small shouldn't be more than 1 mill - anyone remember Yoshi claiming 3 players leveling up to 50 should be able to afford one (house) - not specifying the size so lets asume worst and say small?? That shouldn't be (much) more than 1 mill then.

Medium 4 - 5 mills

Large 10 mill tops

Anything above that is extortion and or idiocy for causual content with (currently) no other than "show-off" value.

[Kyana]

From your initial comment (that Kraggy was responding to), it honestly sounded like you were saying that casual players shouldn't get access to a house. Now it seems like you're saying the exact opposite. Maybe it's because it's 4am, but I'm terribly confused now. I actually think you and Kraggy are misreading each other's posts, because you both appear to be saying the same thing after this clarification.

Did it really sound like that? If it did then I'm sorry.
What I meant was that, at the moment, housing is not worth the massive investment because it's only a style item or let's call it "achievement".
In my opinion.

My problem with the current prices for a plot of land, is that it's locking out casual players from this content.
Some might never be able to experience it, which is a sad thing for a rather casual game like FFXIV.

And it's not clear what will happen to your house if the FC leader stops playing or if people don't log in for some time.
What will you tell people who paid 5mil to their FC and a few months later nobody is left who can manage the FC?
I don't know if there is some official response regarding this, but as long as these things are unclear my FC won't get a house anyway. If someone got more info on this {I'm interested}.

If players say they love the current state of housing, ok, opinions are different.
But earning gil is not really the content I'm looking for. Doing that in RL is enough for me.

PS: It's really time to get rid of this stupid 1000 character limit ><