Bunny Hopping, Premades, End of Pvp.

[Youmu]

Megido has it right.

3's premades are a cancer - every team, without exception. These people don't care about the competition or how they impact the community, they only care about their points and guaranteed 90%+ win rates versus uncoordinated pubs. Human nature, I guess.

I don't really like 3 man queuing. In fact, I mostly agree with what you said. Despite all that, I still 3 man queue as much as possible. I feel a little guilty, but not badly enough to make it worth solo queuing as a BLM. Heres a simple breakdown of why solo queuing as BLM is equivalent to suicide.

- Expect 2/3 of tanks to disregard your warnings about breaking sleeps, and break all your sleeps.
- You're focus target #1, every time. Once your friendly neighborhood tank breaks your sleeps, and they all bumrush you, you will literally spend close to 90% of each match getting bashed and interrupt spammed. Glass cannon role? Forget that man, this meta is about being a meatshield for your team - get as much vitality as you can, use the pvp weapon for morale, and pray you can land some sleeps that aren't instantly purified or broken, because you're in for a wild ride.
- 10 min queues versus 1-4 min queues (in 3 man queue).
- Since most 3 man premades queue with 2 DPS/1Heal, you're more likely to get drafted versus a premade than with one. Have fun getting clubbed by double SMN all day with your team of solo queue players.

So, 4 man queues take 20 mins, and solo queues are a 10 min wait for a 20% win rate. That leaves 3 man queues. This isnt all because of the community is crap (which is partly true), a large part of the blame lies on SE for having an obviously poorly designed and balanced PvP system. I do understand no PvP is perfect at release, but at the rate this is going at, PvP will be completely dead until they make some major changes. And who knows how long that could be...

[KoujiGeki]

Called it.

[allluckys]

Simple solution is to disable any ques except solo and 4 man and jack up the rewards for 4 man ques double or triple. Disabling jump is kinda shitty because it's a mmo pvp vet tactic for rng kiting lets you move away from a target and drop instacasts while facing them it's a fundamental skill and shouldn't be thrown out because of poor coding

[Quackley]

- Expect 2/3 of tanks to disregard your warnings about breaking sleeps, and break all your sleeps.

Only tanks he says. D:

Every once in a while you get a game where nobody goes after you as a BLM.
The game is over in like 5 seconds when that happens.

It's understandable why you go after one.
PvP's design and how BLM works, they don't really get along well, at least not in 4v4.

The PvP design isn't that bad, honestly.
The issue is that it's modeled/built around Frontlines, or bigger numbers in combat.

Frontlines isn't out yet, so we're stuck with arena, which has an insanely high gear/ability barrier to entry in addition to all the other problems.
At this point, the only hope is that they can hype up people for Frontlines, which may get people back into arena as well.
Otherwise the already small community's just gonna waste away. :<

[Nenin]

I don't really like 3 man queuing. In fact, I mostly agree with what you said. Despite all that, I still 3 man queue as much as possible. I feel a little guilty, but not badly enough to make it worth solo queuing as a BLM. Heres a simple breakdown of why solo queuing as BLM is equivalent to suicide.

- Expect 2/3 of tanks to disregard your warnings about breaking sleeps, and break all your sleeps.
- You're focus target #1, every time. Once your friendly neighborhood tank breaks your sleeps, and they all bumrush you, you will literally spend close to 90% of each match getting bashed and interrupt spammed. Glass cannon role? Forget that man, this meta is about being a meatshield for your team - get as much vitality as you can, use the pvp weapon for morale, and pray you can land some sleeps that aren't instantly purified or broken, because you're in for a wild ride.
- 10 min queues versus 1-4 min queues (in 3 man queue).
- Since most 3 man premades queue with 2 DPS/1Heal, you're more likely to get drafted versus a premade than with one. Have fun getting clubbed by double SMN all day with your team of solo queue players.

So, 4 man queues take 20 mins, and solo queues are a 10 min wait for a 20% win rate. That leaves 3 man queues. This isnt all because of the community is crap (which is partly true), a large part of the blame lies on SE for having an obviously poorly designed and balanced PvP system. I do understand no PvP is perfect at release, but at the rate this is going at, PvP will be completely dead until they make some major changes. And who knows how long that could be...

Everything in this post is 100% accurate.





Average game as a solo BLM:

You enter and see you're with a WHM in unmelded NQ wolf gear, a MNK in full darklight, and a PLD with two pieces of direwolf that he melded with pure accuracy. You glance through the gate and see a SCH fairy and a poorly hidden garuda.

You: I'm gonna keep the healer slept in the beginning, please don't wake him up

Nobody responds. The game starts and you manage to catch 2-3 people in an opening sleep without using any CDs. Their SCH purifies immediately so you swiftcast sleep or use nightwing before getting stunned by their WAR and dotted up by their SMN. Your healer is nowhere to be found and your PLD is making a bee line for their sleeping SCH so Cover and Testudo are out of the question. You purify and instantly use Aetherial Manipulation on your MNK who is just now leaving the starting gate.

Miasma is reapplied and before you can slowly limp out of their LoS you get Holmgang'd. Now that you're back in their territory you can clearly see that your PLD is bound but he accomplished his mission of smacking their SCH, who is now freecasting. You desperately
use your remaining CDs (nightwing, swiftcast, equanimity) in a futile attempt to CC ANYONE before you die.

Your healer: sleep is so f%@&#ing op wwdswwww

Over the next 20s you watch your teammates get obliterated. You get raised with a non-upgraded divine breath at some time. Within half a second of being raised you get destroyed again.


-Final stats-
Your team-
MNK - 1,283 dmg done
PLD - 3,719 dmg done
You - 0 dmg done, 2 deaths
Their team-
BLM - 564 dmg done
WAR - 13,029 dmg done, 1 killing blow
SMN - 32,601 dmg done, 4 killing blows

Your PLD: wwow are blm wuz f@&%#ing tarrible 0 dmg 2 deths rofl

Then you get to sit in queue for 10 mins and do it all again.

[Elianne]

Everyone is quitting and giving up. There are still a few I know that are determined to grind to rank 30 without using the exploits. Including myself. But sooner or later we would just burn ourselves out. I don't know why I abuse myself and keep doing it. I think I still hold onto that TINY hope. That maybe....maybe they would fix it. or make PVP worth it. Maybe throw some mini pvp games or capture the flag. Anything that would pull people back into this.

This describes my feelings perfectly. I'm so frustrated with the double summoner pre-mades and the botters. I burnt myself out getting up to rank 18 in just short of a week, with hundreds of losses. I'm left asking myself, "why am I wasting my time?" It's not even the R30's running around single-handedly destroying teams that gets to me. It's the system flaws that makes it nearly impossible to get off of a losing streak without a three-man premade.

I really hope 2.15 is coming sooner rather than later.

[Thriar]

PvP here sucks. Maybe frontlines will be better? Hopefully I'll still care by then.

[Pibz]

Megido has it right.

3's premades are a cancer - every team, without exception. These people don't care about the competition or how they impact the community, they only care about their points and guaranteed 90%+ win rates versus uncoordinated pubs. Human nature, I guess.


Don't think we'll see change until 2.2 which is still months away.

Really looking forward to see how they progress this system in future updates, though. I feel 8-man will be designed with CTF, map domination and other objective-style game modes in mind.

Well this issues really suck but you should really read the other topics around oO
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...stments-to-PvP
In here it's specified that in 2.15(coming this month) they're looking to fix both the "OPness" of Arcanist classes, fix jumping and fix abuse of 3-man premades

[TaneshimaPopura]

I made it to Rank 30 Solo queued early. At least my first 2 weeks run weren't rough. Now even if you penta meld iLvl 70s you're going to have a hard time.

[Lodiodrive]

The game needs battlegrounds and a rogue class to kill the summoners and blms.