"Need" should check ilevel

[Sylari]

Some people place vanity higher than stats, they don't have any less right to the item.

Right. So they can greed on it like everyone else. Rolling on an item you don't directly need to use for some other purpose is kind of what the whole need vs greed dichotomy supposedly means in the first place.

I understand the reasoning but it might feel like players with a high item level are being punished and make it very difficult for them to obtain any further loot. The players with a lower level can still gather tomes to increase theirs while loot remains random.

I don't really see how it's a punishment to say "Hey, maybe that guy who just hit 50 should get that level 60 weapon over the guy who will stick it on his retainer and never ever use it on any serious content".
[QUOTE=bardaboo;1781399]What's next... Greed should check players job lvls so someone with a lvl 1 marauder cant greed over someone with a 45 war?
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No, because that's a false equivocation. The whole point of greed is exactly for that

It's just something you have to deal with

That doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[ispano]

Right. So they can greed on it like everyone else. Rolling on an item you don't directly need to use for some other purpose is kind of what the whole need vs greed dichotomy supposedly means in the first place.

Wrong. You're basically putting one person's need for stats over another person's need for vanity. If they can both need, they are free to do so. What you feel is more important, especially this not being a premade, doesn't apply.

[Sylari]

Wrong. You're basically putting one person's need for stats over another person's need for vanity.

Well yes, of course I am. One of the two is a tangible, physical benefit and barrier to progression and the other is a frivolous desire.

edit: I'm going to bed tonight, thank you all for your insight on the topic! Will check back later.

[ispano]

Well yes, of course I am. One of the two is a tangible, physical benefit and barrier to progression and the other is a frivolous desire.

edit: I'm going to bed tonight, thank you all for your insight on the topic! Will check back later.

Nah, because you only look at it from your point of view. You see the game for progression purposes. That doesn't mean everyone does, nor does it make YOU right. Both have a right to roll, period.

[Worm]

This is just the reality of queue and instanced based games. Ideally before you need for vanity you'd make sure no on really needs it.

Nah, because you only look at it from your point of view. You see the game for progression purposes. That doesn't mean everyone does, nor does it make YOU right. Both have a right to roll, period.

Both people have an intrinsic right to the item because the game allows them to roll "Need" but obviously it's going to benefit the person who actually needs it more. If you accept that vanity is valid reason to need on things you have better equips we can say that anything is. What if the person will never use it for vanity but likes just having it in their inventory? What if they just want to stop the other player from getting it because they feel they don't deserve it? What if they roll a dice to decide if they roll on it or not? What if they have the same item and delete it simply to get it again? No matter how trivial the desire we can assign your argument and make hitting need never wrong. "Not everyone sees the game for progression, they might be playing for Completionism/Spite/Whimsy/Extreme Greed"

I'm a huge fan of vanity and I don't agree with the OP to implement some asinine system. However I don't agree with you either and I think if someone is rocking an ilvl 55 weapon you should defer to them. I could see a belt not being as big of a weapon for example and you can take it on a case by case basis, ask someone if they mind. However rolling against someone with a GC weapon for vanity is in bad taste, even if we can't call the cops about it. Just because you can click a button doesn't mean you should.