And so begins the Vote-kick abuse

[Eld_Deran]

I think there should be a cooldown if you perform a vote kick, like you can only perform a vote kick once every 4 hours.

I got kicked out for the first time this weekend during a Stone Vigal run. After clearing the dungeon rooms we were running up to the last arena when I got an error 90000. I got back in a few seconds later and the other 3 players were standing at the edge of the arena. I started running towards them then got the message that I have been dismissed from the party! WTF?! I was not even offline for 30 seconds.

[whiskeybravo]

I was in a party that actually refused to kick someone.

Started up Crystal Tower, the other tank did not want to run with our 2 whm party. Said he and whm didn't get along, and wanted us to kick him. We did not kick, and instead dragged him through the entire CT kicking and screaming. The 2nd whm left after rolling loot on the second boss, and we got a sch as replacement, but the tank still refused to play, so I solo'd everything for our group lol.

He did finally get kicked before final boss, so he didn't get myth. Cold-hearted? Maybe. Shoulda just dropped if he didn't want to participate.

[Phen]

Some people have said don't allow kicks during combat... wouldn't you be able to avoid being kicked by just randomly aggroing then? I think no kicks during loot rolls seems like a better idea.

[ROOTFayth]

all the people who voted yes in this particular case should be perma banned

[Akirakogami]

I see tanks asking to be dismissed so that they can jump back into duty finder instantly. I try to report as cheating rather than afk if i can. Its annoying how long i had to wait to get into que and they can quit and get no penalty. Then again they could just bully you into leaving by pulling the boss on you over and over.

[whiskeybravo]

I see tanks asking to be dismissed so that they can jump back into duty finder instantly. I try to report as cheating rather than afk if i can. Its annoying how long i had to wait to get into que and they can quit and get no penalty. Then again they could just bully you into leaving by pulling the boss on you over and over.

Actually, yea, at least he didn't troll us/alliance. Just refused to do anything. I believe some of the other members filed a harrassment complaint, because he definitely was not nice or cordial about it. But yea, at least he wasn't trolling lol

[Lyein]

For the loot issue, sure- allow a player to be booted during loot. After all, that player maybe a flaming and threatening everyone to pass so they can get the drop they want and you shouldn't have to wait five minutes to be rid of him. However- don't kick them FROM the loot. I've received loot drops from a dungeon pool after leaving because someone stayed behind longer before they voted. Just take out the -remove from loot pool- flag that was added for kicking.

I don't see why people are this short sighted anyway. Servers aren't _massive_. I run into plenty of people multiple times and I recall their conduct and ability. I'll drop a party with a massive derp as Healer if I remember them being bad in the past. If seven people kick you from a dungeon because they wanted that loot for their friend that's a quick way to a free company and 6 link-shell's black lists.

Tell your friends about ass-hats and make them notorious for being said ass-hats.

[Ranebow]

Sure because people on the internet are one of the most trustworthy. If a group really wants an item and they would have been fine with kicking you if you rolled 90 or whatever number. Do you really think they would take the chances?

Which is exactly what begs the question, of why do developers still continue to make these games where people need to share loot-able items and/or that they never produce enough to pass around?
Developers refuse to budge on these archaic RNG loot systems attached to worn out stat and item equipping mechanics.

If it's a piece of armor/weapon etc, then it should only be use-able by one job. If it's a quest item, craft item, upgrade piece or miscellaneous then everyone should get one.
Build the game AROUND that solution, and then these issues won't appear.

[Hekmatyar-Koko]

Which is exactly what begs the question, of why do developers still continue to make these games where people need to share loot-able items and/or that they never produce enough to pass around?
Developers refuse to budge on these archaic RNG loot systems attached to worn out stat and item equipping mechanics.

If it's a piece of armor/weapon etc, then it should only be use-able by one job. If it's a quest item, craft item, upgrade piece or miscellaneous then everyone should get one.
Build the game AROUND that solution, and then these issues won't appear.

I don't understand whether you are implying that if the item is for a PLD/WAR, then only PLD/WAR get to roll? This is why we have the Need/Greed/Pass. So that those than NEED it have priority. This game is designed so that one character can level EVERY class, so why would they lock out loot to any other classes? I have DPS and a Healer, yet I will run instances as a Tank, not only to greed on some loot, but to help others get through it.

Also, with the complete elitism of a vast majority of those who do the higher end-game instances, it is hard to get into a group with being well geared, and it is hard to gear an alternative character without entering these instances to get the gear (as most use myth tomes on their main classes).

The issue here is vote kicking to receive loot. Which is just 100% wrong. Someone does the instance the whole way through, and then get's shafted by a group because their player also wants the loot. That's just wrong. Everyone pays the same to play this game, and should get equal rights.

Again, groups over 50% of the instance should not be allowed to vote, and a vote of over 50% should also be required, easy fix.

Also, this post was 1.5x larger than the limit? Seriously, the limits here are rediculous...

[Diadumenos]

No kicking while loot is still roll-able seems like something SE should have known better than to not implement. I swear those guys love making drama more than forum posters.