Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Gramul]

The mechanics are the last thing I would want to take from FFXI. Broken defense values, Utsusemi tanking, gear swapping, terrible party dynamics, refresh-whoring, gear as an off-on switch instead of being there to enhance what already exists (Aegis, Ochain and Almace). It's the stuff of nightmares and bad design.

Which is why I said:

Something that worked working to streamline tedium of XI, while introducing new kinds of content.

I don't want the game to be the exact same. I just want concepts and elements of the world design and how lore/quests where presented in, what I would argue, a more natural and open way.

[Bluewhite]

You have to play something to realize if it's good or bad in this day and age with youtube and live streams?

You may be able to tell whether a game is fun or not FOR YOU, but you can't judge for other people because everyone enjoy different kind of fun.

If I watch someone play chess I'd just see people face each other for 2hr, moving pieces on a board after 20 min of thinking. Seems fun? Hell no. But plenty of people enjoyed it.

FFXI is fun when you have in-game connections and invested at least 400+ hours(or maybe even years) of gameplay. The fun of playing FFXI doesn't come by just watching someone else play it, because you're not the one having the connection nor invested the time.

Your statment about 1.23 is purely subjective. The better way to say it is "1.23 doesn't seem more fun than 1.0 to me, because of <insert w/e you see in a video that you find you may not enjoy it>", not "1.23 isn't better than 1.0 because I've seen a video".

[Bluewhite]

Also if someone watches basketball and can't stand it. Chances are they won't like playing it either. Just saying. My opinion matters at least as much as your opinion that you enjoyed it. Which to you obviously doesn't mean anything either.

Jumping into conclusion huh?

I can't stand watching other people playing basketball(or most of the sports). But I play basketball pretty often if my friends are playing it and I often have fun. Playing basketball myself is more fun than watching other people play.

[HakuroDK]

I personally disliked FFXIV's original version, which mainly had to with the control scheme and the fact that I couldn't even play it on my computer whatsoever despite being able to play a lot of other MMOs on the market, so I never bought into it. That's my viewpoint on the subject and I'm sticking to it.

As for whether v1.0 was better than v1.23 was better than 2.0/2.1... that's all conjecture and opinion. The fact of the matter is that SE felt 1.0 was unsatisfactory, so it released 1.23, which they felt was also unsatisfactory, so they released 2.0.

Are there some features they could salvage from earlier installments? Of course! But we must be reasonable about what can and cannot be salvaged. To make a guess on what is or isn't reasonable, look at the changes made between 2.0 and 2.1. If you honestly think that an old feature could be renovated with the same or less amount of work than a single feature added from 2.1, then I'm pretty sure that's reasonable. If an entire patch would have to be devoted to renovations, then it would be unreasonable.

Also, debating about which version of the game was better is utter nonsense. What does anyone hope to accomplish by doing that? It's far better to open one's mind and understand why someone likes something you don't without throwing around harsh, closed-minded criticisms like a bunch of children arguing whether or not Batman could beat the Power Rangers. It's some stupid pride-based assertion of dominance rubbish that is totally unnecessary in this day and age.

Anyway, onto the topic at hand, I like FFXIV the way it is. I never had a fair chance to enjoy the classic FFXIV, but this new version is absolutely wonderful. To me, it isn't a boring game at all and I always have something to do, especially with 2.1 giving us dailies, which make the Myth grind go much faster, which causes me to not feel the grind so much. I like that. I never thought it felt like WoW. I've given WoW an honest chance to, well, "wow" me at least three times in three different eras of the game (Vanilla, Crusade, and Wrath), and each time it got boring by Level 20 and I quit. This game didn't ever get boring for me until about Level 40 when the momentum of the story quest started to grind to a halt. But that was in 2.0, not even 2.05, when that happened. Now, that's not even as much of an issue as it was.

I just want this game to stay as it is. None of that leaning towards one MMO or the other. FFXI has a very different system to FFXIV, which in turn has a very different system from WoW. FFXIV 2.0 did borrow a lot of elements from a lot of other games, true, but I think they work well together. I mean sure, housing's still kind of a mess right now, but that'll get straightened out in time. I just think comparing FFXIV to WoW or FFXI is to demean the value of the game as its own property. Like I said, if there are specific features that you thought were good, then lay those out plain and simple! Saying stuff like "You should make FFXIV more like this MMO I also like" is kinda silly, as that implies that you'd be happier playing that other MMO. On the other hand, if you said "I want this feature in FFXIV because I saw it in this MMO I like and I think it'd be a cool addition to this game" or something along those lines, that'd be fine.

[Velhart]

Actually... all that content was already planed, even titan was already planed by the original producer, if you own the bonus CD given to you in the original FF14 1.0 limited edition, you would be surprised to see just how much was already intended.

They also had the game set up where you could either battle the mobs, or be on a crafting/gathering class and parley with them. Imagine playing parley with Titan, how fun.

[Gramul]

They also had the game set up where you could either battle the mobs, or be on a crafting/gathering class and parley with them. Imagine playing parley with Titan, how fun.

I don't think it was ever intended to let you do primals as them.
Parley sucked, but we really do need more important stuff for the land and hand classes to do.

[Laranja]

This game is wonderful! There's no need to mess up a winning formula. Those that disagree are free to leave and play something else. Pretty simple really.

[Kaiser_Rage]

This game is wonderful! There's no need to mess up a winning formula. Those that disagree are free to leave and play something else. Pretty simple really.

Lol wait until you hot lv 50, and then slowly begin to realize things. :P

[Thunderz]

Winning formula?

When Endgame is so stale that after Tuesday 90% of your member don't bother logging in because (essentially you cleared your weekly caps)

Then no this is not a winning formula

Fail Crafting, Endgame, PvP, etc etc

I still think the armory system is total garbage (outside of PvP Who uses this sh??? system)

[Laranja]

Lol wait until you hot lv 50, and then slowly begin to realize things. :P

Already have. Still can't see what you're whining about.

Winning formula?

When Endgame is so stale that after Tuesday 90% of your member don't bother logging in because (essentially you cleared your weekly caps)

Then no this is not a winning formula

Fail Crafting, Endgame, PvP, etc etc

I still think the armory system is total garbage (outside of PvP Who uses this sh??? system)

And you are both still here. The only thing that is really wrong with this game is the same old whining that you see on just about every game forum. Here's an idea. Why not give the devs some time to actually, you know develop? It's a probably a hard concept to grasp but I'm sure that if you give it long enough you will get it. :P