Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Reslin]

/sigh, and the worrying thing is look how that MMO turned out.

The exact same as 1.0? Yeah, exactly. Which is why they made reborn the way it is. No, you're trying to claim that "14 might go the way of warhmmer" based on my comment. Did you read the person I was quoting? He claimed 1.0 had potential. People who were still playing warhammer online also claimed "It's gotten better. It has great potential." Etc. This tune was sung on the same forums of every mmorpg that has died by the small die hard fanbase that defended it. 1.23 wasn't much better than 1.0 I've seen videos of 1.23 and I still wouldn't have touched it.

For those claiming that "1.23 was a wonderful vision!" I promise you if it released as 1.23. Game would have still flopped.

[Peptaru]

1.23 wasn't much better than 1.0 I've seen videos of 1.23 and I still wouldn't have touched it.

Please tell me you're not sitting here judging 1.23 when you never played it; surely I just misunderstood what you typed. Secret: Things you say in here will have no weight now.

[ApolloGenX]

Please tell me you're not sitting here judging 1.23 when you never played it; surely I just misunderstood what you typed. Secret: Things you say in here will have no weight now.

Well, I did play it... I played 1.0 and left because it was garbage... and I played 1.23 and it was still garbage.

Someone makes a good point when they say that using similar systems with the 2.0 engine and UI etc might have been an interesting proposal could be right... however, the game at the 1.23 state was still unacceptable and would flop. It's the reason why they did make 2.0... they said they had to restart from the ground up for a reason.

I realize it was an improvement over 1.0, but better than bad does not = good.

[Virgil]

I think 14 would have been something worth playing if Tanaka and his team were able to continue with the vision they had for the game, and had it not been rushed to release.

Right now ARR just feels... soulless; for lack of a better word.

[Reslin]

Please tell me you're not sitting here judging 1.23 when you never played it; surely I just misunderstood what you typed. Secret: Things you say in here will have no weight now.

You have to play something to realize if it's good or bad in this day and age with youtube and live streams? So also if you stand behind someone and watch them play a game this won't tell you at all if you might like or dislike the game? Sorry I've watched people play games and have decided "You know that game looks like a lot of fun." and have been right. I've also watched people play games where I went "This game looks boring and dull as crap" and have.. also been right.

Let's put it this way with live streams the only experience I'm not getting is clicking the mouse and clicking the keys. I can see the ui. I can see the bugs first hand. I can see what's good about the game and I can see what's bad about the game. I see how it plays and I can see the mechanics. I'm not the only one who does this. I don't just jump into games anymore. It would be foolish consider how many turn out to be trash. If I consider buying a game I watch some youtube videos and live streams of the game-play to gauge if it might be worth buying. 1.23 did not seem worth buying. That is my opinion of course.

[Peptaru]

Stuff that doesn't matter

I've seen a thousand things that I've never done, but I don't comment on whether they're good, bad, or if they sucked because guess what... my opinion on those matters, like yours here, means nothing to the people doing them. "Skydiving is easy and boring, nah, I said nah, I saw a guy do it."

Excellent attempt to defend your P.O.V. but remember - no weight now.

[Reslin]

I've seen a thousand things that I've never done, but I don't comment on whether they're good, bad, or if they sucked because guess what... my opinion on those matters

Going by your logic someone who has done them have no weight either. You essentially just stated "It's your opinion so it doesn't matter." and someone who actually plays them it's their "opinion" and doesn't matter. Also my opinion does matter in this regard because I'm not alone. 1.23 had videos and live streams of it. It didn't really draw anyone else in. It wasn't good enough, period. The population didn't rise. There wasn't a mass exodus of people giving it a second chance. If many people have my opinion based on what we saw suddenly it becomes very important. There's a reason they scrapped 1.23 and made what we have now. There's a reason what we have now is DOING WELL. As much as you hate to hear it this IS what people wanted. Whether you like it or not.

Also if someone watches basketball and can't stand it. Chances are they won't like playing it either. Just saying. My opinion matters at least as much as your opinion that you enjoyed it. Which to you obviously doesn't mean anything either.

[Magis]

Also if someone watches basketball and can't stand it. Chances are they won't like playing it either. Just saying. My opinion matters at least as much as your opinion that you enjoyed it. Which to you obviously doesn't mean anything either.

I dunno, I can't stand esports and let's plays, but I love playing video games.

But I digress.

I think there is a huge difference between watching a 30 second clip of a battle with a ram or a bat, vs actually using it, figuring out the ins and outs, and forming decisions based on it.

[Reslin]

I dunno, I can't stand esports and let's plays, but I love playing video games.

But I digress.

I think there is a huge difference between watching a 30 second clip of a battle with a ram or a bat, vs actually using it, figuring out the ins and outs, and forming decisions based on it.

30 seconds sure but when you watch it for several hours it becomes a lot more than 30 seconds. I'm not big into e-sports or let's plays either but I do watch games I intend on buying to get a good idea how the game functions/plays. This determines whether or not I'll enjoy playing it. If watching it gives me no sense of interest or enjoyment chances are I'm not going to like playing it. Also my post was more about if someone watched basketball and went "I would rather play this than watch this." that's not the kind of person or reaction I'm talking about but if someone watches basketball and thinks "You know this looks really stupid and boring. I don't find this interesting in the slightest." there's a good chance they won't like the game itself. If I watch a live stream and hate everything there is about the game I'm watching the chance of me actually finding it enjoyable is going to be slim. It's called doing research before making a purchase. If the product turns most people off to itself when others do research there's likely a problem with the product.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm not bashing people who liked 1.23. I'm merely pointing out that some of us have seen it (others played it) who didn't like it. I don't see very many people praising 1.23. In fact, I know more people in my boat who kept an eye on FF14 hoping that it would turn out good but were never impressed by what we saw. Even when ARR was announced my friends got excited and I told them to hold their breath. I honestly and truly thought this game was going to flop until I saw gameplay. It actually looked fun so I bought it and enjoyed my purchase.

The changes to 1.23 never drew me in like that.

[Magis]

What I'm trying to say is that I'm not bashing people who liked 1.23. I'm merely pointing out that some of us have seen it (others played it) who didn't like it. I don't see very many people praising 1.23. In fact, I know more people in my boat who kept an eye on FF14 hoping that it would turn out good but were never impressed by what we saw. Even when ARR was announced my friends got excited and I told them to hold their breath. I honestly and truly thought this game was going to flop until I saw gameplay. It actually looked fun so I bought it and enjoyed my purchase.

The changes to 1.23 never drew me in like that.

Well we all got our own opinions, I'm not going to resort to name calling like some posters have on both sides of the fence.

However, what are you talking about that you don't see people praising 1.23? First "praising" would be the wrong word (the game still needed work and had a lot of flaws), but preferring the direction of 1.23 over ARR I do see. Look in this thread, the "Bittersweet" thread, the "Eorzea has no Teeth" thread, and you see v1.23 people disliking the direction that 2.0 had gone, as well as posts in them that have high "like" numbers. I'm not trying to make a contest here, but I'm seeing a lot of people that did want the 1.23 direction. Some people wanted everything, some want pieces of 1.23; be it crafting, exploration and danger, or the battle system.

Regardless where ARR is going, I'm going to stick with it because I love FF, as well as the aesthetic and setting of XIV. Nothing else really tickles my fancy because it's more of the same generic gritty western fantasy game. I also have a hope that the game will see more growth of depth in it's first expansion like FFXI saw with Zilart.