Extreme Garuda MELEE Woes

[NeruMew]

Slipstream>Friction>Downburst>Wicked Wheel, if I remember correctly

Thank you. For all melee scared to get hit by Wicked Wheel, just move back when you see Garuda cast Downburst, then back after they Wicked Wheel. /win

There is multiple ways to do this fight without melee getting hit by double wicked wheel at all. It is sad on multiple levels people can't think outside the box once they see a guide/method that lets them apply their face to the keyboard and roll around. It is really telling of all parties that this is happening, and I hope people start spreading *correct methods* of doing Garuda EX rather then just take the no brain method and exclude members.

Thing is you can still do it with those faceroll methods as well, just have to have people dodge WW.

However this is also true, if one strategy doesn't fit your group, then try new ones (or other ones already invented, or reinvent them yourself). Don't feel stuck because you can't do it ni the exact same way some other group does it.

The last few times I tried (as DRG) OT pulled Suprana away from Garuda (after downing Chirada), I was fully expecting WW but never saw it, this was at least 3 or 4 times in a row we tried it, and I didn't see it once. I don't know if it's random, or has to do with their relative distance from the other, all I know was I kept moving back to the center to avoid it and it never happened.

Maybe because they are apart? Sisters also die fast. (asuming you're saying they got split on the last phase as well) But this just proves how by slightly changing strategy it is also doable and even maybe easier on other roles.

[Kantide]

I'll be trying this fight tonight as I've stayed away from it due to the issues with DF and PF groups and this whole Melee situation. I built my FC around people having fun playing the classes they want to play.

At the moment we have 2 coil groups running T1-4 and guess what? We don't have 2 bards! It's funny how when we occasionally need to find a replacement for a member on a day we always get the "Oh, 1 bard/No bards?" response.

All of these fights are perfectly doable for melee the problem really lies in lazy healers or lazy melee that won't dodge or learn when to dodge.

[Traek]

Thing is you can still do it with those faceroll methods as well, just have to have people dodge WW.

However this is also true, if one strategy doesn't fit your group, then try new ones (or other ones already invented, or reinvent them yourself). Don't feel stuck because you can't do it ni the exact same way some other group does it.

Yep, exactly. It is funny because with my coil group, we watched videos our first time through to have an idea, but we almost always did it differently then a guide's way, or our other Coil group's way. We thought about our group dynamic and made tweaks/priorities based on that to where we now snooze through it.

I agree that you are saying melee can dodge wicked wheel with some forethought, but if they are having to do this then the party is using the wrong strategy from the get go.

[eagledorf]

I'm so confused, I have literally never seen the sisters do WW or been hit by it myself (it has been close when the tank doesn't pull Suparnia far enough away). Just separate the sisters from Garuda before attacking...

[Mitski]

I'm so confused, I have literally never seen the sisters do WW or been hit by it myself (it has been close when the tank doesn't pull Suparnia far enough away). Just separate the sisters from Garuda before attacking...

You've "literally never seen" WW, but you have been "close" to getting hit by it?

[zdub303]

You've "literally never seen" WW, but you have been "close" to getting hit by it?

Garuda still cast's Wicked Wheel until Suparna has died so he can not see either of the sisters do it but still have to dodge it from Garuda.

Suparna casts Wicked Wheel only while Chirada is still alive. Killing Chirada first and then pulling Suparna off the MT means melee will literally never see a Wicked Wheel. I'm pretty sure this is the strategy that SE designed for the fight, people are just lazy and don't want to do the fight that way or don't know/understand the actual mechanics of the encounter.

[Ricky]

You guys are giving nice pointers but the fact is the fight is far easier with ranged stacking, and that is an issue. We always Virus the add and Eye for an Eye the tank along with SS and Adlo on the melee and a Scholar bubble when we're expecting Wicked Wheel and they can just stay in, but good luck coordinating that with a DF group

[Traek]

You guys are giving nice pointers but the fact is the fight is far easier with ranged stacking, and that is an issue. We always Virus the add and Eye for an Eye the tank along with SS and Adlo on the melee and a Scholar bubble when we're expecting Wicked Wheel and they can just stay in, but good luck coordinating that with a DF group

This is the point, it really isn't easier with ranged, people just aren't doing the fight properly. It was said a few comments up, but killing Chirada, then cross voking Suprana while MT vokes Spiny Plume guarantees no melee gets hit by wicked wheel. There is roughly 3-4 seconds downtime as Suprana crosses the Tornados and it is business like usual, except for ranged it is still business like usual the whole crossing.

Without the OT voking Suprana from the MT, they are actually making life harder on the healers, and risking MT going down from x2 Wicked Wheel. The fight was clearly designed this way, as Suprana doesn't do Wicked Wheel when I pull it across.

[Verius_Nox]

The melee's I take to GX do fine. WW is pretty predictable. Why are people so afraid to have melees?

[Naunet]

I find it hysterical that people honestly believe a fight is "impossible" with melee. My raid group generally has two melee and it's never held us back. We have one of our melee (usually our MNK, but sometimes it's our DRG) tank Chirada while they burn it down. All the dps stack for Downburst to minimize damage there. Then everyone goes to Suparna, who's being tanked by the OT. Then Garuda. Never an issue.