A party member has withdrawn...

[Dedayius]

Multiple ways of fixing this and hopefully SE will take one of them. I would prefer if it didn't show you the dungeon was in progress when the queue popped. Then people wouldn't know at what point the dungeon is and they would stop fishing for it. I'm also a fan of the loot being at the end and you only being able to roll on loot for bosses you killed.

[am0n]

Truth is, this doesn't actually increased your queue time. If the person who queues and then bails because it isn't 2/3 or 3/4 in progress just never queued, you'd still be waiting just as long. The fact that they CAN do this to you means that there is no one else queueing up for that role.

Not saying it's right. Just pointing out it doesn't actually increase your queue time.

[KraggyKor]

This of course doesn't happen to any noticeable extent on the JP servers, JP players aren't the selfish, self-centred jerks many 'western' players are.

[KraggyKor]

Truth is, this doesn't actually increased your queue time.

You're wrong.

[am0n]

oh well, found that just secs ago:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

maybe helpful not only for me!

I'm not sure that is accurate. It suggests that each item drops off two different bosses. Here is another one:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...XSlVDYmc#gid=0

[am0n]

You're wrong.

No, actually, I am correct. You just want to believe it increases your queue time because you wish to remain ignorant to the way the system actually works.

The fact that one person can keep queueing and get your duty finder to pop means that there is no one else trying to fill the role you need. Take that person out of the equation and you wouldn't magically find someone else to take his role. There is no one else. You'd still be waiting, only without the annoying popups every 20 seconds.

[flamds1]

Truth is, this doesn't actually increased your queue time. If the person who queues and then bails because it isn't 2/3 or 3/4 in progress just never queued, you'd still be waiting just as long. The fact that they CAN do this to you means that there is no one else queueing up for that role.

Not saying it's right. Just pointing out it doesn't actually increase your queue time.

Um what? I love people trying to justify df spamming by this. Never increases queue time? Never gueued into party? Really? If Im in DF and df pops with a full party, you have been assigned to that party regardless if you joined in progress or from the start. Withdrawing from that party delays everyones start given that 15 seconds later, we could have been in the instance and not spending 40 minutes watching people spam df trying to get to the end. People will try to rationalize their behavior however makes them feel better I guess.

[flamds1]

No, actually, I am correct. You just want to believe it increases your queue time because you wish to remain ignorant to the way the system actually works.

The fact that one person can keep queueing and get your duty finder to pop means that there is no one else trying to fill the role you need. Take that person out of the equation and you wouldn't magically find someone else to take his role. There is no one else. You'd still be waiting, only without the annoying popups every 20 seconds.

Put that person into the equation and they're taking up a spot from somebody who would start arguement works both ways. Justify away.... Oh look it's a healer trying to jusitfy it one of the most frequent guilty parties...

[NeruMew]

Put that person into the equation and they're taking up a spot from somebody who would start arguement works both ways. Justify away.... Oh look it's a healer trying to jusitfy it one of the most frequent guilty parties...

BURN THE HEALERS!!!!

/petition to remove the role of the game, and while they are at it tanks too... DDs for the win! (juggly and bouncy!)


On a more serious note, it may or may not, more likely it does, because that person is taking up the space of someone who does wanna join, im pretty sure more than one alliance gets stuck at this at the same time, at the least, and if this was the case at the very least one of them could be already inside.

Anyway. Pics or it didn't happen! (prove your point, winkwinkwankwank!)

[flamds1]

BURN THE HEALERS!!!!

/petition to remove the role of the game, and while they are at it tanks too... DDs for the win! (juggly and bouncy!)


On a more serious note, it may or may not, more likely it does, because that person is taking up the space of someone who doesnt wanna join, im pretty sure more than one alliance gets stuck at this at the same time, at the least, and if this was the case at the very least one of them could be already inside.

Anyway. Pics or it didn't happen! (prove your point, winkwinkwankwank!)

Nonsensical rebuttal just as I expected and you just completely invalidated you arguement previously.


only way to solve the problem is to remove the option to simultaneously queue for inprogress and new start instances. It would eliminate the df spamming entirely for new parties and people who want spam in progress can do so to their hearts content without interrupting groups trying to start since people spamming for inprogress have no intention of joining a new start.