Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Doo]

Indeed. It is for the devs to decide. They've decided and designed ff14 to be what it is yet a small group of people keep crying and begging for it to be something else.

I don't see it as crying anymore than anything else on the forums such as housing price, CT looting, etc. If you don't like it simply ignore it since it's just a small group anyways.

[Dale]

FF14 is nothing like wow..

Yes it is...

[Whiz]

Yes it is...

No U no U no U...seriously. Bro If your going to call FF14 a wow clone then call every new/modern mmo released a wow clone.

[Cons]

This thread should be locked now, same people arguing amongst themselves

[Reslin]

I'm aware of that. It was a sequel to World of Warcraft. That is why many of us are disappointed with the game. We were hoping for a new and improved version of Final Fantasy 11. But instead we got WoW with better graphics.

Alright examples coming up.

But that's not what we want. We wanted something new that followed in 11's footsteps yet improved on its flaws. That is usually what sequels do. Or at least attempt to do What we did not want was yet another WoW wannabe.

And I would have preferred something more unique and Final Fantasy 11-oriented (but improved upon) rather another WoW clone.

14 would have been very wise to follow in its footsteps and improve upon it, rather abandoning it completely and trying to clone WoW. So I agree with the OP.

"We wanted we wanted we wanted." No different than I want anyway. Look, back to the kid example. If you didn't get the kid the toy he/she wanted and they kept saying "But I wanted." "I should have had because I wanted. But I really wanted.." you wouldn't see it as whining?

I don't see it as crying anymore than anything else on the forums such as housing price, CT looting, etc. If you don't like it simply ignore it since it's just a small group anyways.

And those are even if it's valid or not to cry over. I'm guilty over it to over the housing prices. Though, I feel my whining was warranted but it WAS whining. See? I admitted I myself have done it.

[Gevvy]

All I want is an MMO with high speed combat like Blade and Soul, combined with Dragons Dogma to offer monster climbing and dodging at the cost of stamina, while offering a robust crafting and gathering system... With Final Fantasy lore and races like Lala. All the while offering plenty of content for both sides of the game like large scale fates that involve taking out colossal monsters by climbing and striking at weak points while they try to swing you off, huge PvP faction wars on behalf of grand and free companies in similar fashions to what Fantasy Earth Zero offered (RIP ;_; ), card and pub game minigames to bet and earn coin, fishing, cook off and gathering challenges to test skill...
And to top it all off, set to a similar theme of FFXII.

[Dale]

No U no U no U...seriously. Bro If your going to call FF14 a wow clone then call every new/modern mmo released a wow clone.

If you can't recognize that this game has basically copied and pasted WoW then I don't know what else to tell you. And that is why I kept my previous remarks so brief. Because I see no point in debating something so painfully obvious. It's basically WoW with a face lift.

And like I told that other poster, I don't understand why you think copying an old game is giving us something new and modern. But you are entitled to your opinion, even if it makes no sense to me.

[Dale]

Alright examples coming up.
"We wanted we wanted we wanted." No different than I want anyway. Look, back to the kid example. If you didn't get the kid the toy he/she wanted and they kept saying "But I wanted." "I should have had because I wanted. But I really wanted.." you wouldn't see it as whining?

I read your examples and no where in any of my postings did I see myself crying "I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT" like you claimed...

All of my posts looked perfectly reasonable to me... and if you think those are examples of whining and begging then I think it's safe to say you have never been around people who actually do whine about something.

And when I am speaking with many different people about the same subject of course you are going to find repetitive posts. That isn't whining.

[Reslin]

And like I told that other poster, I don't understand why you think copying an old game is giving us something new and modern. But you are entitled to your opinion, even if it makes no sense to me.

Here's an analogy I have over this debate. WoW was the first car and it made cars very popular. Older mmo design such as EQ and FF11 was a carriage driven by horses. No matter how much you improve on FF11 or Everquest's design it will still be a horse carriage which barely anyone rides anymore but there are a few people out there who still ride horses and horse carriages. Those are the people who still play those kind of games. Right now most people are driving cars and looking for updated car models.

This also means that EvE is air transportation.

[MageBlack]

In theory yes, if they were to make Final Fantasy 14 more like 11 it would likely take even more subscriptions from the game than it already is. But as I said, it's already taking subscriptions from the game now. So the damage to 11 is being done regardless, and we are just debating to what degree.

But like I said in an earlier post, I would have preferred Final Fantasy 14 to be designed as a true sequel to predecessor. A game that would ultimately replace Final Fantasy 11 entirely and give players who want an alternative to WoW somewhere else to go that isn't over a decade old. And to touch on your earlier comments - that would also be the best way to ensure that they are not competing with themselves for subscriptions.

But that didn't happen and instead SE opted to copy WoW. And that is what has players like me disgruntled. Because we were hoping for an alternative to WoW that at least resembled 11 in terms of design and structure.

Fair enough, I think we have worked out what each of us meant. Thats all I wanted. I agree, damage has been done but it was inevitable. I think something you are not really aware of is that each numbered installment of the Final Fantasy franchise plays differently. That is a fundamental feature of the franchise along with each installment being in its own unique world. The only way you would have gotten what you are asking for in a similar experience to FFXI that was built on its strengths and ironed out weaknesses would be if there was a FFXI-2. Its the only time that a FF game has used the same world and built upon its preceding systems.

It does not sound like you are a big FF fan and more of an MMO fan, so i understand why you may have these expectations. In my opinion, as a fan of the FF franchise, this is a great installment in the series and live up to all the expectation I have for such a game, moreso than FFXI did. I played both and I much prefer ARR to FFXI from a FF fan perspective. I dont have much MMO background but I see so many people talking about all their expertise and expectation on the MMO genre but they all see to forget the the second half of the acronym; RPG. I really like that there is a much heavier focus on the RPG elements, story, classic jobs, classic experiences (the nods to older FF games), and the less competitive atmosphere this game has.

There were things I did like about FFXI and I have no problems seeing some things make an appearance in this FF, but overall, i'm glad its not a sequel to FFXI in how it plays. If it was then I doubt it would have gained much more of a following than their first MMO did, and that would have been sad.